The Radio Equalizer: Brian Maloney

18 August 2005

Inside Air America: An Investigative Blog Report

Inside Air America

An Investigative Blog Report



BY BRIAN MALONEY AND MICHELLE MALKIN



Part Two: Beyond Evan- More Shell Games?



On July 21, 2005, a standing room-only crowd of Democrats filled a Highland Park, Illinois, public library conference room to hear two local businesspeople talk about their company and its future plans.

The attraction? These weren't your everyday corporate suits: it featured Sheldon and Anita Drobny, who last year put Al Franken and Janeane Garofalo on their upstart liberal Air America talk radio network. Hearing about their "success" was surely appealing.

To Democrat activists, these were bona fide celebrities. Sheldon, a Venture Capitalist, CPA and former IRS agent, spoke first, according to the 10th District Democrats Newsletter:

Yes, please note (in the quote to the left) that he did say, "if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it".

Was the audience listening to someone who truly practices what he preaches?

That's because the newsletter also reveals:

Even if Drobny meant to say Air America had the most popular talk radio station in San Diego, wouldn't it also fall into the "lies repeated often enough" category?

San Diego's KLSD-AM currently ranks 22nd overall and is the fourth most popular talk station in the overall market, according to Radio & Records.

Even KFI-AM, a distant signal from Los Angeles, got higher San Diego ratings than the Air America station.

Uttered in a highly supportive environment, there was no chance Democrats in attendance would challenge Drobny's statement, even if they knew it was wrong.

That appears to be modus operandi for the Drobnys, well-versed in playing to friendly political crowds. While this pattern of behavior may have previously worked well, what happens when outside scrutiny is finally applied?

We may soon find out.

For nearly three weeks, Air America Radio has worked feverishly to convince the public a former executive is entirely responsible for the messy scandal that now threatens the liberal talk network's future.

That's where $875,000 in taxpayer money, meant for community programs run by the Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club, instead apparently ended up funding Air America's cash-thirsty operations.

Michelle Malkin.com and The Radio Equalizer-Brian Maloney have uncovered a pattern of dubious behavior, however, that extends across Air America Radio's various public hiccups, blunders and scandals.

Is former head Evan Montvel-Cohen really the whole picture of Air America's questionable business practices?

Because Cohen's certainly no angel, he's a perfect scapegoat for past transgressions, while Air America today continues the same dodgy behavior. While actions opponents call "shell games" appear to continue, Cohen himself is nowhere to be found.

From Anshell to Progress Media and Piquant LLC, the Drobnys seem to be no strangers to shifting assets and allegedly walking away from large debts, when needed (See Part One of this series, featured on Michelle Malkin's site, for more on creditor Multicultural Radio Broadcasting's accusations of "sham transactions" and "fraudulent conveyances").

Even as we speak, what appears to be a new shell may be in the works. How do we know?

It comes right back to the same Highland Park library speech, where the Drobnys revealed previously secret plans to form yet another new company.

Sheldon's wife Anita took to the podium to spill the beans about Nova M Radio.

Disclosing Air America's future plans to a room full of rabid supporters might seem smart, especially if it brings potential investors to what inside sources say is an effort to raise $5 million to fund the new company.

Was such a public disclosure legal, however? Since Nova M Radio's offering is set up as a private placement, there have been no indicated or available US Securities and Exchange Commission filings.

Could the speech be considered an indirect attempt to solicit investors, in a way that would trigger required SEC disclosures?

Like the confusing web of firms they've previously created, Nova M Radio will be intertwined with Air America Radio itself, while being charged with the purchase of stations in rural markets to provide remote venues for its programming.

One broadcast executive, familiar with radio's challenges under even the best of circumstances, had this to say: "(It) just sounds like a transfer of money rather than a radio strategy. Anyone with five million dollars behind them could purchase stations or air time and do horse racing on the air, if they wanted to."

Referring only to the difficulties of making money in rural radio, the executive is explaining that creating successful operations in such places is exceptionally tricky, even for local, well-seasoned owners. While buying stations or leasing time is easy, small markets remain broadcasting's most challenging setting for making a profit, regardless of the radio format.

Do you have a plan, based on experience in the field, that can overcome these high hurdles?

Why another new company, however, rather than simply raising additional funds through Air America Radio's current parent, Piquant LLC?

That's where the biggest potential questions are raised.

Some insiders and industry observers believe Air America may be having serious difficulties raising money, after a well-publicized pattern of burning through cash, combined with spotty ratings and revenue performance.

Otherwise, what reason would there be to create a new firm? Couldn't additional investors or board members join Piquant LLC to fund the station purchase plan?


Could Nova M Radio also function as the next potential "sham transaction" vehicle, once Piquant is completely broke (which it seems close to now)?

Or, could it ultimately purchase Piquant for pennies on the dollar, while cutting away the latter's unfortunate creditors?

Even if the business plan really is about buying rural stations for Air America's programming, is it viable? Who would invest in such an operation?

Some of Sheldon Drobny's philosophy is laid out here:

As the co-founder of Air America Radio (AAR), I have learned a lot about broadcast media and the decline in markets and advertising caused by management that does not have a vision for growing markets.

One of the major issues we had when we started AAR was the lack of available radio stations that understood that the best and most loyal audience for advertisers is educated progressive people. These people used to be called YUPPIES, but there is a growing trend in America that TV and radio broadcasters are missing.

This educated and mostly secular audience buy a lot of stuff we call adult toys. They are the best audiences for advertisers.


Can a plan to spend $5 million on small-market radio stations really work, considering Air America is an even harder sell in small, conservative towns than New York City, where the format is already struggling?

If adequate revenues aren't materializing in big cities, or the national level, what would make mom-and-pop merchants advertise on an unproven format that bucks local political sentiment? Is there any remote chance of realizing a profit on this venture?

It doesn't appear the Drobnys, or others said to be a part of Nova M Radio, have any experience running small market radio stations, where long-established community relationships can be key to success. National advertising dollars rarely reach these areas, if ever.

It's exactly why major broadcast firms have generally stayed away from these areas, leaving it to small, local operators.

Rather than seasoned radio station management professionals, why, as confidential sources inform us, does the Nova M board reportedly feature three "progressive" talk show hosts?

And, given Progress/Piquant's consistently clumsy public face and internal disorganization, why would Nova M Radio be any different?

Attempts to reach Mr. Drobny via email and Air America via phone were not immediately successful.

A bigger, unexplored question, is whether Sheldon and Anita Drobny have any business raising additional capital for acquisitions, if they can't immediately afford to repay the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club in full for the $875,000 in diverted taxpayer funds it "borrowed" last year?

And, why won't they repay Multicultural Broadcasting $255,518 in damages awarded in last November's default judgment? Why is Multicultural forced to press Piquant/Progress/Air America to collect their money?

Is Nova M Radio simply a clever way to elude these sticky issues?

Is "when the going gets tough, invent a new shell company," Air America's motto? And why shouldn't they?

After all, they face little criticism.

As self-interested liberals such as Bill Press and Al Franken rush to defend Air America's operation, shouldn't they bone up on exactly who they're backing up in public?

It would seem good advice for the credibility-minded liberal celeb, since blaming it all on Mr. Cohen just doesn't hold water, when one considers the truth behind the spin.


AAR/Scandal graphic by Darleen Click, others from 10th District Democrats newsletter. Frankenfood by Pete at IHillary.

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178 Comments:

  • Whoa, AAR is toast!! Good work exposing these crooks!!

    By Blogger Lidsville, at 18 August, 2005 14:33  

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    By Blogger Tom C, at 18 August, 2005 14:40  

  • Less newsy and more editorial than part I but still entertaining. As one of the first serious forays by political blogs into investigative journalism, I'm impressed with the work that you and Michelle have done. Also, since you wear your bias on your sleeve, its easier to filter.

    By Blogger Immolate, at 18 August, 2005 14:43  

  • Also, what's with the dog food thing? I take that kind of personal, you know.

    By Blogger Tom C, at 18 August, 2005 14:45  

  • Anyone know the status of this lawsuit:

    Ex-Host Winstead Sues Air America
    May 24, 2005
    By Ken Tucker

    Former Air America Radio morning show host Lizz Winstead is suing the network, claiming she was fired, then stiffed out of nearly $300,000, according to a report in the New York Post.

    Winstead claims that she’s owed $200,000 of her $250,00 annual salary, plus $83,333 in severance pay, $14,423.08 in unused vacation time and $5,960.55 that she says the network pocketed from her on-air ads for the Vermont Teddy Bear Company.

    Winstead was fired by Air America on March 4. The show she co-hosted with Rachel Maddow and Chuck D, “Unfiltered,” remained on-air until March 31. At that point, Jerry Springer’s show took over the time slot.

    Asked for comment, a spokeswoman for Air America told BillboardRadioMonitor.com, “We do not comment on rumors of litigation or litigation."

    Maddow now does an early morning show for Air America, while Chuck D is set to host a weekend show for the network.

    By Blogger Lidsville, at 18 August, 2005 15:14  

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    By Blogger Rick, at 18 August, 2005 15:17  

  • Lidsville:

    We'll be addressing that soon.

    By Blogger Brian Maloney, at 18 August, 2005 15:31  

  • Most excellent work!

    By Blogger MC, at 18 August, 2005 15:33  

  • hahaha, loved this part of the NYT Ombudsman:

    [I]t seems to me that this story is still unfolding, and The Times, for the sake of all its readers, needs to get to the bottom of any improper conduct and assess Air America's future.

    Is that what they did with the Plame story too??!

    Their next statement will be about being 'cautious' to "get the facts" and whatnot. Because remember, when they make mistakes (er, I mean get caught intentionally propogandizing) they blame the "rush to deadline" etc, etc.

    Good work Brian.

    By Blogger Ace, at 18 August, 2005 15:47  

  • ummm... The SEC does require filings related to private placements (see regulation d, or rule 144a). Not to bother this blog with facts or anything...

    By Blogger Justin, at 18 August, 2005 15:48  

  • Great Justin, if so, then they're already violating the law.

    They seem to think they don't have to register anything with the SEC, it appears.

    By Blogger Brian Maloney, at 18 August, 2005 15:51  

  • How do I remove my posts? Typos are one matter, but that apostrophe thing in my first post is driving me crazy.

    Great work, Brian! Keep digging!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 18 August, 2005 16:02  

  • OK, got it.

    Hmmm.. It looks like having destroyed the initial startup and now sinking the "new" company, the Drobnys are trying to get new suckers to invest in the next failure - while pointing to their past "successes".

    Yeah, some success! The only thing you can say about them is that they are consistent!

    Anyway, the Drobny's should hope that potential new investors they have on the hook don't read The Radio Equalizer!

    Fido

    By Blogger Tom C, at 18 August, 2005 16:06  

  • grrrr.....

    By Blogger Tom C, at 18 August, 2005 16:09  

  • Brian,

    Private placement filings don't always show up on the SEC website (only type not to do so). Only real way to get them is by sorting through stacks of paper docs at SEC headquarters in DC. Also, private placements are often intentionally kept "private," by using unrelated company names (this is common practice among venture capitalists, entrepreneurs, bankers, etc.).

    By Blogger Justin, at 18 August, 2005 16:11  

  • Tom C, I think that is a 'eat your own dogfood reference'. Like, 'all the lies and the liars who tell them', Al Franken's favorite saying.

    Couple of points:

    1) Soliciation for the purposes of offering securities has several levels. In the simplest, any offer to less than 25 investors, has very loose rules (a sop to small company types and makes sense). How big was the crowd? And was it truly a solication for shares?

    2) I find it interesting that the term Yuppie is in the discussion. That's a marketing segment from the Reagan era. So now they want to apply their view on what they think is a segment that still exists! Ha. The mass market mentality of that period has been splintered. With Web, Internet Radio, Blog Ads, and narrow casting making a mass market idea that old hard to be successful. One only has to go over to Hugh Hewitt's site and read the situation on marketing today to see they are thinking like yesterday.

    3) Two words for AAR -- Sarbane-Oxley. If any law needs to be applied to a situation, I think the AAR-GW debacle is the perfect test case. If applied and adjudicated somebody (like Drobny) is going to jail. It needs to be persued.

    4) The environment as offered in this report is a clear indication that liberals live in a cloister. Like the monks of old, they struggle thru their view in a subculture hidden from view. And when the real world intrudes into the atrium of liberalism they act surprised. And yet these folks parrot a view of worldiness. How odd.

    Keep going guys, this is getting interesting.

    JohnM

    By Blogger johnm, at 18 August, 2005 16:24  

  • You rely on "one broadcast executive familiar with some of the plans" for some of your analysis. Who is this person, and why are they left unnamed in your piece?

    By Blogger Y.G. Brown, at 18 August, 2005 16:34  

  • y.g brown:

    Don't you know that lots o' mainstream media uses anonymous sources all the time? Brian's going for authenticity here! :)

    By Blogger WashtenawDude, at 18 August, 2005 17:06  

  • Most stations in rural areas are community stations, typically 1K-5K stations. Their focus is mostly local personalities, local politics and local issues.

    What makes the Drobny's think that their scheme is going to work, especially with Air America's talent.

    Given a choice, would you want to listen to a farm report, or Al Franken's Whines?

    Good idea Brian to get rid of the anon comments, they were getting more moronic by the minute.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 18 August, 2005 17:18  

  • Hmmm listen to Pig Futures or Franken whining....

    Oink! :)

    Off subject here, but Brain: When are you getting yourself your own hosting and getting off of Blogger? You're too good to be stuck in the blogosphere's back alleys!

    By Blogger Graumagus, at 18 August, 2005 17:25  

  • "This educated and mostly secular audience buy a lot of stuff we call adult toys. They are the best audiences for advertisers. "

    Um... are they suggesting funding their new venture with ads for dildos and vibrators?

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 17:42  

  • Hey, this sounds like Enron!

    Only, this time the comedians aren't telling the jokes, they are the jokes...


    ttyler5 Houston

    By Blogger ttyler5 Editor, at 18 August, 2005 18:13  

  • Hey Smaack, the dildos and the vibrators are hosting the shows!

    By Blogger ttyler5 Editor, at 18 August, 2005 18:15  

  • This is turning into a great series! Thanks to you and Michelle for going where no msm journalist has the balls to go!

    It really does look as if the Drobny's were playing the crowd for suckers. It is pretty clear that the Drobny's are old fashioned grifters, casting about for more funding for the black hole.

    By Blogger al fin, at 18 August, 2005 18:17  

  • Open Letter to Brian Maloney AND Michelle Malkin:

    You’ve milked this “AIR AMERICA SCANDAL” now for about 3 or 4 weeks.

    Now your repeating some of these “SO CALLED CHARGES” because other BLOG’S have been recycling them and some how that gives credibility to them. But it’s really funny that they have just taken what you said 3 weeks ago and bada-bing, bada-boom it must really be true cause I got it from the BLOG’S. It’s that old trick that “If you tell a lie enough times pretty soon it’ll be true.”

    Well if you REALLY want scandal let me offer you a few you might have missed what with your Air America work and Oh, let’s not forget Cindy Sheehan huh Michelle. In the words of president Bush “It’s Hard Work.” but one that really needs your INVESTIGATIVE POWERS.

    One of them is really important, (hint, hint first name starts with TOM).

    The U.S. Attorney's Office has filed a secret lawsuit against Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham.

    Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, an associate of several leading Republicans, was indicted by a federal grand jury Thursday on fraud and conspiracy charges arising from a deal to buy Florida casino boats in 2000.

    Ohio Governor Bob Taft was found guilty and fined $4,000 for violating state law by not disclosing golf outings and other gifts, becoming the first governor in state history to be convicted of a crime. Could there be more??

    Tom Delay it’s all about Ethics – something he knows nothing about. More to follow.

    ASARCO - Asarco's bankruptcy leaves in limbo cleanups around the country. The century-old smelting company is tied to pollution that could cost an estimated $1 billion to clean up, according to the EPA. A company spokeswoman contacted yesterday afternoon said she could not comment on issues in Washington state. - Let’s see what you two TOP-NOTCH SLEUTHS can come up with on this Baby, I think you’ll be quite surprised.

    This will be on my BLOG tomorrow at http://www.thebscorner.com check it out.

    PS: Michelle don’t let your kids read any of your writings you’ve got a potty mouth.

    Don’t you like anything about America?

    Just kidding. . . I figured I’d say it to you first before you said it about me. I know how you all can be.

    mick

    By Blogger mick, at 18 August, 2005 18:21  

  • Brian M said: They seem to think they don't have to register anything with the SEC, it appears.

    WOW. . . glad you added that "IT APPEARS" on the end there Brian so you don't have to ACTUALLY check with the SEC on the facts. It makes it so much cleaner don't you agree?

    mick

    By Blogger mick, at 18 August, 2005 18:35  

  • Can you say Ponzi Scheme??

    By Blogger Laurie, at 18 August, 2005 18:36  

  • Brian, have you at all read Sheldon Drobny's book called,
    "Road To Air America: Breaking The Right Wing Stranglehold On Our Nation's Airwaves" that was published in December of 2003?

    Check out the interesting comments by readers in Amazon. I wonder if Randi Rhodes would be a part of the Nova M as part of the continuing shell game to throw some people off. Even one reader of Drobny's book commented that Rhodes is the true star of Air America. Ouch!

    http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2005/08/when-randi-rhodes-is-actually-star-of.html

    By Blogger Mike McConnell, at 18 August, 2005 18:38  

  • Mick, no, "it appears" you have some kind of agenda.

    We did all the necessary research. We have the answers to the questions you've posed.

    I think I know what you're trying to provoke.

    By Blogger Brian Maloney, at 18 August, 2005 18:54  

  • You've got nothing here. Just speculation, empty accusations, annonymous sources, and a seething contempt for Air America.

    Which, after 17 months in business, can now be heard in:

    Akron, OH - WARF-AM - N/A
    Albany, OR - KTHH-AM - N/A
    Albuquerque, NM - KABQ-AM - UP
    Anchorage, AK - KUDO-AM - UP
    Ann Arbor, MI - WLBY-AM - N/A
    Asheville, NC - WPEK-AM - UP
    Atlanta, GA - WWAA-AM - UP
    Austin, TX - KOKE-AM - UP
    Baton Rouge, LA - WYNK-AM - FLAT
    Binghamton, NY - WYOS-AM - N/A
    Boston, MA - WXKS-AM / WKOX-AM (Combined) - UP
    Brainerd, MN - WWWI-AM - N/A
    Brattleboro, VT - WKVT-AM - N/A
    Burlington, VT - WTWK-AM - N/A
    Chapel Hill, NC - WCHL-AM - N/A
    Charleston, SC - WLTQ-AM - UP
    Chicago, IL - WCPT-AM - UP
    Cincinnati, OH - WCKY-AM - N/A
    Cleveland, OH - WTAM-AM - N/A
    Columbia, SC - WOIC-AM - UP
    Columbus, OH - WTPG-AM - DOWN
    Corpus Christi, TX - KCCT-AM - N/A
    Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX - KXEB-AM - UP
    Davenport, IA - WKBF-AM - N/A
    Denver, CO - KKZN-AM - UP
    Detroit, MI - WDTW-AM - UP
    Eugene, OR - KOPT-AM - UP
    Fresno, CA - KFPT-AM - N/A
    Honolulu, HI - KUMU-AM - N/A
    Huntington, WV - WRVC-AM - UP
    Ithaca, NY - WNYY-AM - N/A
    Key West, FL - WKIZ-AM - N/A
    Kihei, HI - KAOI-AM - N/A
    Lafayette, LA - KEUN-AM - N/A
    Lihue, HI - KQNG-AM - N/A
    Los Angeles, CA - KTLK-AM - UP
    Madison, WI - WXXM-FM - N/A
    Memphis, TN - WWTQ-AM - N/A
    Miami, FL - WINZ-AM - UP
    Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN - KTNF-AM - UP
    Missoula, MT - KKNS-FM - N/A
    New Haven, CT - WAVZ-AM - N/A
    New Orleans, LA - WSMB-AM - FLAT
    New York, NY - WLIB-AM - DOWN
    Petoskey, MI - WWKK-AM - N/A
    Philadelphia, PA - WHAT-AM - N/A
    Phoenix, AZ - KXXT-AM - UP
    Portland, ME - WLVP-AM - N/A
    Portland, OR - KPOJ-AM - UP
    Providence, RI - WHJJ-AM - N/A
    Reno, NV - KJFK-AM - UP
    Riverside, CA - KCAA-AM - N/A
    Rochester, NY - WROC-AM - DOWN
    Sacramento, CA - KSAC-AM - N/A
    San Antonio, TX - KRPT-FM - N/A
    San Diego, CA - KLSD-AM - UP
    San Francisco, CA - KQKE-AM - UP
    San Luis Obispo, CA - KYNS-AM - N/A
    Santa Barbara, CA - KIST-AM - UP
    Santa Cruz - Monterey, CA - KOMY-AM - FLAT
    Santa Fe, NM - KVSF-AM - UP
    Sarasota-Bradenton, FL - WSRQ-AM - N/A
    Seattle, WA - KPTK-AM - N/A
    Spokane, WA - KPTQ-AM - UP
    Springfield, MA - WHMP-AM - N/A
    Victor Valley, CA - KSZL-AM - N/A
    Washington, DC - WWRC-AM - UP
    West Palm Beach, FL - WJNO-AM - N/A

    With growth like this, it's not wonder they're driving you conservative wingnuts even crazier.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 19:35  

  • Ttyler,

    No, dildos and vibrators at least serve a socially utilitarian function, unlike Air America and its moronic supporters. You can't even call them "tools", for much the same reason.

    Perhaps "vestigal appendages" is a better term. They serve no known useful function, and merely act as an occasional conduit for disease on the body politic.

    And for those reasons, vestigal appendages are usually surgically removed.

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 20:02  

  • Hey SP,

    How much money will AAR have to steal to reach the number of markets Limbaugh has?

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 20:04  

  • Mick, no, "it appears" you have some kind of agenda.

    AND OF COURSE YOU DON'T

    We did all the necessary research. We have the answers to the questions you've posed.

    Why don't you site this RESEARCH?

    I think I know what you're trying to provoke.

    WHAT WOULD THAT BE?

    To coin a phrase I'm just looking for FAIR AND BALANCED.

    By Blogger mick, at 18 August, 2005 20:10  

  • How much will AAR have to steal to equal the number of markets that the draft-dodging, drug addicted, prevaricating racist is in?

    I don't know. But since that really isn't their goal, and since they haven't stolen money from anyone, your question is entirely beside the point.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 20:16  

  • Sp,

    Ahh, yes. They didn't steal it - they "borrowed" it. With every intention of paying it back.

    Just as soon as they got caught.

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 20:19  

  • Kind of ironic that the original name of the ownership entity was "AnShell Media", eh?

    By Blogger Pat, at 18 August, 2005 20:29  

  • It's clear that Cohen, the original president, pulled the strings on that 'loan.' Fact is -- unfortunate as it is for you credulous right wing nuts -- Air America is run by a completely separate company.

    So your use of 'they', while a neat rhetorical trick, is completely inaccurate.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 20:31  

  • Mick said Well if you REALLY want scandal let me offer you a few you might have missed and then went on to list a bunch of things, all of which could very well be interesting...

    ...to a weblog that WASN'T called "The Radio Equalizer." See, Mick, here's the gig: "Radio EQ" is a specialist blog, that limits itself to broadcast media, and more specifically, to RADIO.

    Ergo the word Radio in "Radio Equalizer." It isn't called "generic scandal equalizer." It isn't called "Mick's Blog." It's called "The Radio Equalizer," and it deals with RADIO.

    Let me point that out again: RADIO. Air America is a RADIO NETWORK. That makes it perfect for The Radio Equalizer to tackle, since it deals with RADIO.

    I hope that clears up any misunderstanding that you might have had.

    By Blogger Wonderduck, at 18 August, 2005 20:35  

  • This is rich. This "Investigative Blog Report" into the integrity of Air America is co-written by Maloney, who proudly claims to be "A 2005 Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism nominee."

    Sounds impressive. Until you go to the Payne Award site, and see this:

    "Journalists and outlets can nominate themselves or be nominated by a third party."

    In other words, getting nominated for this means nothgin. (This hack probably nominated himself for an ethics in journalism award. Or, maybe he had his Mom nominate him.)

    Dishonesty and deception with an award for ethics. Par for the conservative course. Good to see the true calibre of Michelle Malkin's partner.

    You right wing nuts crack me up.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 20:45  

  • A Polite Response to Mick

    You have missed the point--first off, the issues you cite (not "site") are all undergoing a high level of scrutiny. Tom Delay--say what you want about it, but Congress itself is on this one. But Air America? Nary a peep.
    Mick, the whole point is that NOBODY is covering this, and therefore the blogosphere will. And as the lead bloggers for this story, Michelle and Brian are doing a FANTASTIC job.
    Don't strain yourself looking for fair and balanced--this is a conservative blog. I'm fairly sure your own blog displays a slant--more power to you and your reader.

    By Blogger Haakon B. Dahl, at 18 August, 2005 20:57  

  • SP you are wrong.

    When your talking about AAR,when the first business enity is bought out by the second (enity) all assets and debts are to be acounted for.

    If a debt is not paid, and assets(cash,property etc.) are transfered that is called fraudulant conveyance.

    Go ask a lawyer if you lose in court, but before you have to pay if you can move money from your bank acount to your mom's (an example).
    See what he says.

    By Blogger Mr. X, at 18 August, 2005 20:57  

  • Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, an associate of several leading Republicans, was indicted by a federal grand jury Thursday on fraud and conspiracy charges arising from a deal to buy Florida casino boats in 2000.

    You should do your homework. Jack Abramoff is a known associate of North Dakota Senator Dorgan plus other Democrats as well.

    By Blogger King Ralph, at 18 August, 2005 21:13  

  • SP said:

    "You've got nothing here. Just speculation, empty accusations, annonymous sources, and a seething contempt for Air America.

    Which, after 17 months in business, can now be heard in:

    Philadelphia, PA - WHAT-AM - N/A

    With growth like this, it's not wonder they're driving you conservative wingnuts even crazier."

    I deleted all of his listings, save the one for WHAT-AM (1340) in the Philadelphia market, because that is the one with which I am familiar. WPHT-AM (1210), the conservative talk radio station, the one that carries Michael Smerconish and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, is a 50,000 watt blowtorch, that can be heard a hundred miles away. WHAT-AM is a low power, black oriented station that cannot be heard clearly (if at all) even in the Philly suburbs.

    Glenn Beck is a relative newcomer to talk radio, yet, on his own talent, has managed to get on 198 stations, thrice what Air America claims. Mr Beck didn't need to "borrow" $875,000 from a charitable organization to stay on the air; if he had needed to do that, he'd have been off the air! Rush Limbaugh didn't have to get investors to front him in the beginning, and then borrow nearly a million dollars to keep going.

    The sad fact is that Air America is failing. It began not as most radio shows do, with someone with talent expanding, but with a deliberate investment, and needed continued investment, in a failing system. Without AAR being propped up, it would have already fallen.

    By Blogger Vermillion & Pico: Our Political Website, at 18 August, 2005 21:17  

  • Mr. X
    Here are the facts:
    Cohen was crooked, and arranged the loan of the money.
    AAR is owned run by a distinctly separate company.
    AAR's internal forensic financial analysis uncovered the loan.
    AAR is paying it back. Don't know if they're legally bound to do this, as I'm not an attorney, but it seems they are ethically bound.
    The current management has been upfront about this.

    How am I wrong?

    Again, AAR must really be getting to you sanctimonious right wingers. Else you wouldn't be so excited about this.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 21:20  

  • Well, Brian, they gave up the content spamming, and have hired Mikey to stand in!

    It's GOOGLE I'm beginning to wonder about - the current ads on your site are for Al Franken's books and Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kerry!

    Et tu, Google?

    By Blogger Peter Porcupine, at 18 August, 2005 21:32  

  • Your words:
    Mine will be in bold
    Here are the facts:
    Cohen was crooked, and arranged the loan of the money.
    this is OT
    AAR is owned run by a distinctly separate company.
    Yes, now owned by Piquant llc
    AAR's internal forensic financial analysis uncovered the loan.
    The loan is debt,when Piquant bought AAR, became liable for the debt
    AAR is paying it back. Don't know if they're legally bound to do this, as I'm not an attorney, but it seems they are ethically bound.
    Is more than just ethics,it is law.ask a lawyer.
    The current management has been upfront about this.

    How am I wrong?
    I'm not talking about Cohen,Piquant should have never been alowed to buy AAR without looking at the books,or did they?

    Again, AAR must really be getting to you sanctimonious right wingers. Else you wouldn't be so excited about this.
    Never said I was a "REP",
    did you guess or just belive I was
    because I called you "wrong"?

    By Blogger Mr. X, at 18 August, 2005 21:38  

  • Verm & Pic:
    You're right on one point: Rush Limbaugh did start out with talent, and expanded for years, although I hear he's now under 300 lbs.

    As for Glen Beck -- who, as a Mormon believes that a 19th century philandering huckster is literally the saviour of mankind -- he was able to enter an established market. AAR had to create their market, which is exponentially more difficult.

    I maintain that AAR is doing pretty well, and growing. And I substantiate my point with the long list of affilliates.

    You maintain that AAR "failing." But, you don't have anything with which to back it up.

    Your mush about most radio shows not starting with "deliberate investment" is ridiculous. And only points to the fact that AAR is driving you right wingers to distraction.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 21:39  

  • "It began not as most radio shows do, with someone with talent expanding, but with a deliberate investment, and needed continued investment, in a failing system."

    Heh - AAR is the Monkees of radio.

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 21:48  

  • Sp,

    Nice. Fat jokes and religious bigotry in one post! Maybe you can question someone's sexual orientation just to go for the trifecta.

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 21:53  

  • Mr. X,
    You still haven't explained what I'm wrong about.

    The current management company had nothing to do with arranging the loan from the Boys & Girls club.

    They discovered the irrgularity or malfeasance or whatever you want to call it, and they brought it to light.

    They're paying the loan back.

    You seem to be making the point that Piquant should not have been allowed to buy AAR. I don't have an opinion about that, so it's not something I'm wrong on.

    As for your political leanings? Your deplorable spelling, grammar and punctuation, plus your inability to make a cogent point, all suggest that you are garden variety conservative.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 21:54  

  • I challenge ANYONE to Google each Air America Affliate and report back how many AAR affiliated stations carry the FULL Air America Lineup! That is, if the stations even has a website. While you're at it why don't you report AAR's Ratings as posted on http://www.radioandrecords.com/rrratings for each of those affliates! Then after that why don't you tell us exactly what city each of these affliates is actually in, many differ greatly from the location AAR lists on their website. Take their *Chicago* affliate WCPT 850 AM for instance, it's actually in Crystal Lake IL, population 38,000! I suppose this is what happens when you're force to pay stations to carry your content. You buy one in Crystal Lake and say it's in Chicago.

    By Blogger Lidsville, at 18 August, 2005 21:56  

  • SP, your resort to ad hominem at every turn, including insulting people's religion and physical appearance, marks you as a garden variety moonbat.

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 22:00  

  • Smaack,
    You're quite a stickler for political correctness. Esp. for a member of the far right fascist zombie brigade.

    Actually, the bit about Joseph Smith is well documented, historical fact, and has nothing to do with bigotry (which is all about intolerance.)

    And what you call a 'fat joke' is actually a weight loss joke. At Rush Limbaugh's expense, no less.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 22:03  

  • Let me make it easy for you!

    Here is a link to AAR Affiliates:
    http://www.airamericaradio.com/stations

    Here is a link to Arbitron Ratings:
    http://www.radioandrecords.com/rrratings

    Here is a link to google the affliates:
    http://www.google.com

    After you search for the station go to the 'program guide' and take a look at how many Air America Hosts their are. You'll be surprised to find Jerry Springer is the ONLY AAR host on some stations!

    By Blogger Lidsville, at 18 August, 2005 22:08  

  • "Esp. for a member of the far right fascist zombie brigade."

    Woohoo! Thanks for making my point for me, you drugged out, America-hating, sandalista bigot whackjob!

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 22:12  

  • Ad hominem attacks are sooo much easier than thought! Thanks for showing the way, SP.

    By Blogger Smaack, at 18 August, 2005 22:13  

  • An investigative blog report that has 28 question marks contained throughout it's body...the idea is to answer questions , not to raise them.It appears to be shit stirring 101.

    By Blogger Swami-o, at 18 August, 2005 22:16  

  • let me throw your words back in your face

    Mr. X,
    You still haven't explained what I'm wrong about.
    Here, I'll show you
    The current management company had nothing to do with arranging the loan from the Boys & Girls club.
    I'm not taking about Gloria Wise B&G club,your wrong.
    It is NOT about WHO set up the loan, but Piquant was liable for it upon purchase of AAR
    They discovered the irrgularity or malfeasance or whatever you want to call it, and they brought it to light.

    They're paying the loan back.
    And here a law called structuring is being broken

    You seem to be making the point that Piquant should not have been allowed to buy AAR. I don't have an opinion about that, so it's not something I'm wrong on.

    As for your political leanings? Your deplorable spelling, grammar and punctuation, plus your inability to make a cogent point, all suggest that you are garden variety conservative.
    So? since I write poorly, thats a basis for you to attack me? And yet you refer to a "cognet point"
    and fail to understand debt and fraudulant conveyance? GEE I guess I MUST switch from the third party?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies ad hominem attack?

    It amazes me how you fight for such a losing concept as AAR.
    Go ask why Multicultural Radio Broadcasting is suing AAR.

    By Blogger Mr. X, at 18 August, 2005 22:17  

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  • Long live Nova M Radio
    Because it's "for the children"

    Yeah, to the tune of $875,000 in taxpayer money, meant for community programs run by the Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club

    I wonder what the kiddies got for their money?

    The same thing you can buy from a streetwalker,but she only costs $100.00

    By Blogger Mr. X, at 18 August, 2005 22:35  

  • Mr. X, you're getting all hot under the collar. It's fun to make you conservatives squirm (yet, so easy.)

    You're still unable to show where I am wrong. Or, to use your unintentionally hilarious phrase, make a "cognet point."

    Your main point seems to be that they are liable for the loan. Which AAR acknowledges, since they are paying it back.

    My point about your semi-literate prose style is hardly an attack. It's simply the answer to your question about how did I infer your political ideology.

    The fact that you don't like my answer -- basically that your slothful reasoning and primitive grasp of English suggest conservative leanings -- does not turn that answer into an 'attack.'

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 18 August, 2005 22:36  

  • Again, who is the anonymous source and why is the person left unnamed? It certainly looks like someone with an agenda against AA, if you/they won't include their name.

    Brian, you have (as a rough estimate) twenty unanswered questions that you pose in your "investigative" piece. Why didn't you actually investigate and answer them? Isn't that the point of an "investigative" report?

    You responded to Mick saying that you "did all the necessary research" and that you "have the answers to the questions (he's) posed."

    Why didn't you do the research to answer the questions that you pose? Because you sure don't seem to have much research in this hit piece... just anonymous sources and rhetorical questions. If anyone broke a law, you should cite it. So far, it's a bunch of huffing and puffing, but little to no facts.

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  • Ah, the ever classic troll

    Note:quirm

    as in:
    Mr. X, you're getting all hot under the collar. It's fun to make you conservatives squirm (yet, so easy.)

    An emotional response.

    OK.

    Cohen is the scapegoat.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_%28fallacy%29

    Using a "point" is how lawyers evade an issue.

    Yes.It is just a "point" or a "suggestion",
    so you dance about this or that.

    My point about your semi-literate prose style is hardly an attack. It's simply the answer to your question about how did I infer your political ideology.

    The fact that you don't like my answer -- basically that your slothful reasoning and primitive grasp of English suggest conservative leanings -- does not turn that answer into an 'attack.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies

    I'm no lawyer myself,my "point" is that your a bit unhinged.look up the page, you hit a few.

    Be well

    By Blogger Mr. X, at 18 August, 2005 23:10  

  • SP -

    Great Job with your posts. My first response to today Maloney Post was Zzzzzzz and what's with all the "?'s" ??? You are supposed to answer questions if you are an "investigator".

    Another faux right wing "scandal" fades with a whimper.

    See you later - I'm off to find some black helicopters!

    By Blogger Robert, at 18 August, 2005 23:11  

  • edit: squirm

    By Blogger Mr. X, at 18 August, 2005 23:11  

  • I can kind of understand how some folks might watch the mainstream news and think that Iraq is a hopeless quagmire, but I can't imagine how delusional one must be to think Air America is doing great.

    By Blogger B Moe, at 18 August, 2005 23:15  

  • I was wondering what was up with Philadelphia, PA - WHAT-AM. I can usually hear every AM station out of Philly pretty clearly, but when I try to pick up AAR, all I get is static with some mumbling heard in the background.

    It's funny that in a city that has been run by the left for many years, that AAR can't find a decent station to host it's programming. On the other hand, the 'right' side of the dial seems to be doing rather well for itself.

    By Blogger antvq, at 18 August, 2005 23:18  

  • Part 1 summer ratings start streaming out next week. Will this be the one where Franken beats Rush in Denver, Portland, and Miami? Don't forget, these are rolling averages, so those trends look pretty good.

    Maybe Air America should just wait a bit. ABC is dropping its asking price based on it's tanking ratings.

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 18 August, 2005 23:22  

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    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 18 August, 2005 23:23  

  • SP, here are the facts:
    >AnShell (Drobny, other investors) created Air America.
    >Cohen and Sorenson bought into the operation, now called Progress. For whatever reason, Cohen was put in control.
    >Debuted; crashed and burned. Cohen and Sorenson were bought out and the ownership name became Piquant, but other than those two and a fellow named Mark Walsh, the original AnShell group remains the primary owners/investers.

    By Blogger TC, at 18 August, 2005 23:25  

  • Yet the trends that are being pointed to are not for money demos, and are only "Arbi-trends", rather than the solid numbers that most companies use, which comes out in late September.

    Dick Tuck is blowing smoke and masturbating all over himself with the prospect of Portland, Oregon being the flagship for AAR.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 18 August, 2005 23:38  

  • TC Lynch,
    Thanks for the clarification. They identified Cohen as a problem and flushed him out of the organization.

    So not only did AAR uncover the bad loan,
    and not only did they bring it to light,
    they also immediately purged themselves of the charlatan that was the source of the problem.

    Sounds like it's a reasonably well run outfit to me. Franken has a weekly audience of over 3 million. He'll never have the numbers of the fat addict (no, not Kristy Alley -- Rush Limbaugh), but pretty respectable.

    And as if to prove my contention from the outset, not one of your many posts contains a fact that proves the idea that the network is failing. Not all the stations are powerhouses. Some are even puny. Some of the ratings suck.

    So what?

    On balance, AAR is persevering and even growing modestly -- demonstrated by my long list of AAR stations. And that is driving all you neocons nuts. Which is my other theme to all this.

    Thanks for the laughs.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 00:03  

  • Smaack said: Heh - AAR is the Monkees of radio.

    You don't know what high praise this is to people that follow the arc of music and media innovation.

    By Blogger WHT, at 19 August, 2005 00:08  

  • Hey SP,

    You may be right - this network is getting to some of us so-called 'sanctimonious' right-wingers. Despite the constant barrage of tasteless humor, epithets aimed at anyone slightly right of wacko left and the common usage of language that us 'sanctimonious' people wouldn't use in polite company - this station is and has been run by crooks. But where's the proof, you say. As this new scandal is still being investigated, all the facts aren't quite in - but I, for one, appreciate Brian and Michelle's job of doing the searching for answers that no one in the MSM seems willing to do.

    But there are a few other pieces of evidence to prove my statement above.

    How about the fact that Air America refuses to pay money it now owes to Multicultural Radio? If they are so awash in money, why haven't the paid that one? In the words of the judge (some right-wing nut job I'm sure - but available at http://decisions.courts.state.ny.us/fcas/fcas_docs/2004jun/30010583420043sciv.pdf):

    "When the $156,000 check from Air America for the March air time
    was retumed the following day on account of insufficient funds, Multicultural terminated the agreement and pulled Air America’s program from its Chicago station."

    Oh wait - I forgot - you moonbats buy the whole "It was a bank mistake" thing - but the judge addresses that as well:

    "In its motion
    papers, Air America notably failed to advise the court that its $156,000 check for March had bounced and that it had not yet paid for its air time in April although payment had been due almost three weeks earlier."

    AND

    "At Air America’s request, Multicultural thereafter gave it until April 24,2004 to make payment. Despite repeated representations by plaintiff‘s counsel that payment of this amount was imminent, no such payment was ever effectively made. When Air America finally deposited a check in Multicultural’s account, it was returned on April 29,2004 for insufficient funds. On April 30,2004, Air America agreed
    to immediately remove its programming from defendant’s Chicago station."

    So by now, they have bounced not one, but two checks - one as a secondary agreement to keep their filth on the air. I knew guys in college that did this, make an agreement with the electric company to keep their electricity on and then pay with a check - guaranteed to bounce so that it gave them a couple of more weeks to pay up. Pretty sleazy - and for this amount of money - it is also a felony.

    But hey - you say - that was a long time ago, they are now owned by a new company. True - but they are still refusing to pay and now:

    1) Franken has said he hasn't been paid in a long time - but I am sure he is just giving his paycheck to charity
    2) They have only made a $50,000 payment into escrow and have thus far refused to pay the full amount. But I am sure that is just because of the principal of the whole thing.
    3) Lizz Winstead (no right-wing nut job, for sure) says that Air America has stiffed her for hundreds of thousands of dollars - again, I am sure it is the principal - that is why they don't pay.
    4) It wasn't too long ago that payroll bounced - but as the execs said - it was the payroll company's fault. Yeah, right. If nothing else, they are really bad at chossing to do business with. Their bank and payroll companies are obviously full of idiots.

    But hey - you just keep drinking the punch, buddy. I'll keep reading the facts as this winds its way through the courts.

    -Reptevye-

    By Blogger Robert, at 19 August, 2005 00:22  

  • SP said: "Thanks for the clarification. They identified Cohen as a problem and flushed him out of the organization."

    So how does that absolve Air America or any of it's many parent companies of the debt to Gloria Wise (among others)? Oh and, they're not paying it back. They haven't given Gloria Wise one dime.

    Then SP said: "On balance, AAR is persevering and even growing modestly..."

    Then how come their ratings are falling in ALMOST every city? Take for example New York (ya know that big Liberal city). AAR's ratings in Summer '04 = 1.4 (pretty damn low). But wait! Spring '05 = 1.0 and falling.

    If all these "allegations" of "sham transactions," defaulted loan payments, bounced checks, fraud and possible embezzlement were surfacing about Rush... do think you would still say "So what?" Would that not point to the story of the century for you. Did you not hop on the "Rush is addicted to pain killers" bandwagon?

    A long list of afilliates does nothing if they don't bring in any money.

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 00:27  

  • To Y.G. and Mick:

    First, the industry source has nothing against AAR, was simply asked whether such a rural station purchase plan would make sense for any company. I didn't indicate which firm was looking to do this.

    I've updated the story to make more clear what the industry source really means, because the previous version was confusing.

    As to my previous answer to Mick, I believe it was, the issue is one of legalities. We've made every effort to tell our story without crossing such boundaries. We have several lawyers assisting us.

    It's not a question of research, there's much more we'd tell, if we could.

    By Blogger Brian Maloney, at 19 August, 2005 00:50  

  • Wow, switching to registration mode for comments didn't even slow down the auto-spammers.

    By Blogger Brian Maloney, at 19 August, 2005 00:52  

  • Actually, Nick, AAR has said they are going to repay the loan. I covered that about 30 posts earlier.

    And I said they are growing because they are. A new station nearly every week. And their ratings are trending up, however modestly. I know, as I run an ad agency and work closely with our media buyers to track detailed Arbitron ratings, market by market.

    The parallel to Rush isn't relevant. First, because he is an admitted addict who has engaged in criminal behavior, and AAR is not and has not. Second, the better analogy would be to Limbaugh's company (Premiere/ClearChannel). Which, of course, has been embroiled in dozens of lawsuits, countersuits, and allegations of fraud, crimes, etc.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 01:12  

  • SP, You're just too clueless to get a simple, basic fact: as long as they rely on continual infusions of new invester capitol, they are hosed. They cannot attract big buck national advertising, so they are piling up two bit stations to show they have "strength."

    They've been at it for over a year now, and their "growth" consists of Clear Channel flipping low watt, dead air stations over to "progressive talk," but not turning the entire broadcast day over to AAR programming, but picking and choosing what they will carry. Air Idiot's entire purpose was to be an assault on a company like Clear Channel who supposedly was keeping their brand of talk off the airwaves. Limbaugh cuts deals with Clear Channel stations; Air Idiot is told "our way or the highway."

    And the schmucks that are still in charge are the same schmucks who gave Cohen the keys to the safe, and in their most recent reorg put a pop music/record guy like Danny Goldberg in charge.

    It's a Ponzi scheme, except this time Ponzi's replaced with "Drobny."

    By Blogger TC, at 19 August, 2005 01:12  

  • Mr. Wonderduck said: I hope that clears up any misunderstanding that you might have had.

    Oh thank you, thank you that makes all the difference in the world. But does that also mean the Brian and Michelle are not the “SUPER SLEUTHHOUNDS” they claim to be by reporting on a NON-STORY-STORY for the past 3-4 weeks.

    Sounds like it’s time for another PAIN AWARD (Payne). Be sure to include Michelle this time.

    BTW, wasn’t that the same award Mr B-O’R won. . .what say you Mr. Wonderduck?

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 19 August, 2005 01:22  

  • SP, Sorry SP but I just have to answer for good ol’ Verm & Pic:

    SP you said: “You maintain that AAR "failing." But, you don't have anything with which to back it up.”

    V&P says: YOU WANT FACTS. . . we don’t need no stinking facts, not on this Blog. It’s all speculation, assumptions and maybe a few lies and just plain bullcrap.

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 19 August, 2005 01:23  

  • Haakon B. Dahl:

    Hey thanks for the spelling lesson, don’t you hate it when that happens.

    So you’ve bought into this NON-STORY-STORY. That’s to bad.

    Got to run there are a few other “CITES” I need to check out.

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 19 August, 2005 01:24  

  • Robert, while your point that "this station is and has been run by crooks" is easily disprovable, it has nothing to do with my main point, that AAR has enjoyed moderate growth and modest success.

    You list a couple of legal disputes they've had -- big deal. Welcome to American business.

    I am very interested in your statement that "Franken has said he hasn't been paid in a long time." When did he say that? If it's recent, and it's accurate, and your source is solid (Franken himself quoted in a reputable source [i.e. not WorldNet Daily]) I will concede that you've got a point.

    However, I'm confident that you're referring to statements Franken made over a year ago. In which case it's old, irrelevant news.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 01:25  

  • King Ralph: SO???

    By Blogger mick, at 19 August, 2005 01:26  

  • SP? You say you run an ad agency?

    Cite one client you convinced to buy time on any AAR station within listening distance of your office.

    Y'know, that old "money where your mouth is" thing. Cite one client you were able to convince that the airtime would be worth their dime.

    PSAs don't count.

    By Blogger TC, at 19 August, 2005 01:26  

  • Well then SP, you should know that you can measure the success and popularity of a particular show or network by how much they charge for air time. When you get to work tomorrow, call 850 KOA (Denver Rush afilliate) and then call 760 KKZN (Denver AAR afilliate). Ask them how much they charge for a 30 second advertisement during Rush's (or any KOA program) and then ask KKZN how much their most expensive advertising block is. You'll see that KKZN is literally giving away air time. They even have to have commercials that ask people to buy commercial time. It's pathetic to listen to.

    And about the loan...every story I've read indicates that the only thing AAR has done is made an empty promise to repay the loan. The Ny Department of investigations has asked AAR to place the entire $875,000 into an escrow account controlled by by the NYDOI. Instead, AAR put a measly $50,000 into account controlled by them. I wouldn't call that paying anything back1

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 01:28  

  • TC, lots of startup businesses lose money during the first three, four, even five years of their existence.

    Fox News lost over $120 million over its first two years. To name one of countless examples.

    Putting quotes around "growth" and disparaging small stations doesn't change the fact that they are growing, and gaining momentum, however modestly.

    And you're wrong to posit that AAR's 'entire purpose' was to assault Clear Channel. It had absolutely nothing to do with their goals or business strategy. That little rhetorical slight of hand -- assert a false premise, then use it to demonstrate failure -- is a favorite of you righty ideologues.

    Limbaugh, by the way, is owned and syndicated by ClearChannel. So the idea that his relationship with ClearCHannel would be different than AAR's is entirely expected and unsruprising. Not to mention the enormous yet dwindling audience he still commands.

    In comparison, AAR is just an upstart pipsqueak. But one that has gained a foothold and is building momentum. Which is really what agitates all you right wingers.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 01:44  

  • Right. If I mention one client by name, one of you nut jobs will use Google to ascertain my identity. Next thing I know there'll be a fertilizer bomb in my mailbox, or a musket ball from one of your Civil War reenactment rifles will come whistling my way.

    No thank you.

    I will say that a gaming and thoroughbred racing client of mine buys time regularly on three AAR stations.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 01:50  

  • Nice try, Nick. Shows with big audiences charge more than shows with small audiences. Devastating point.

    Limbaugh's rapidly aging and slowly diminishing audience is still enormous. The guy created the genre, fer cryin' out loud, and he's been at it for 20 years.

    AAR is starting from nothing and is slowly, incrementally building an audience with an entirely new kind of programming.

    Hence, you would expect the Limbaugh station to charge more.

    By the way, you contradict yourself on the loan. You state they've put $50k in escrow , then say they haven't paid anything back. Which is it?

    Obviously, the story is developing, and AAR has made the commitment to repay the moolah.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 01:58  

  • SP: Where is your proof that it's building any sort of momentum at all. AAR could add 100 affiliates a day. That will evtually mean NOTHING if they can't bring in any revenue. IT'S FAILING! Unpaid loans, bounced checks, no big name advertising.. you name it. They have had a bunch of generous supporters that have kept them afloat for this long. We'll see how generous they are once all AAR's "sham transactions" finally make it out of the blogosphere.

    And you are flatly wrong about Clear Channel owning Rush. Clear Channel owns and operates Rush's affiliates. Premier owns Rush and sells his show to Clear Channel affiliates (among others) because he brings in HUGE advertising revenues. Something AAR has yet to do.

    Funny you should mention Fox News. Yes they lost a lot of money to start. But their ratings skyrocketed form the very start. They achieved ratings in 5 years that the 30 year old CNN could only dream of. AAR's ratings SUCK. And their getting worse. CHECK FOR YOURSELF!

    If you took all the conservatives with a taste for the Schadenfreude, they'd have no listeners!

    I'll tell you what agitates us right-wingers... Liberals thinking they could break all the rules of radio and start up an entire network just to spite us. That was the whole reason that AAR came to light. Then every liberal in America (and their allies in the MSM) ran around screaming about how wonderful this great new "Progressive" (what a dumb word) network was. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY EVER LISTENED TO AL FRANKEN? He sucks!!! Don't even get me going on that abnoxious sidekick of his, Katherine Lanpher. UUUGGGGHHHH! She is so annoying. All she does is laugh that stupid, shrilly laugh at everything Franken says.

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 02:10  

  • I contradicted nothing SP! The NY DOI suggested that AAR put ALL the money into an escrow account CONTROLLED BY THE NYDOI. AAR put only $50,000 into an account CONTROLLED BY THEIR LAWYERS (AAR'S LAWYERS). And there the money sits.

    If I owed Mr. X $100 from my checking account, and then put $4.00 into my savings account (controlled by me) then that would not be paying anything back. Now would it? So long as I've "made the committment" though, it's okay. Right?

    AAR and it's owners have known about the loan since Gloria Wise wrote the check. How long does such a "successful" radio network need to repay the money?

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 02:21  

  • With all due respect, Nick, you are a moron. Premiere is a wholly owned subsidiary of ClearChannel. Thus, ClearChannel owns Premiere, which owns Rush. Thus, ClearChannel owns Rush.

    My proof is that AAR keeps building its listener base. Franken has gone from 0 to 3 million weekly listeners in a year. Those are solid numbers from Arbitron.

    And, that the network keeps adding stations. Which are generating revenue. Until you can prove they aren't, which you cannot, because they are, you must admit you are wrong.

    BTW, the whole reason AAR came to light was not to spite flyover zone chickenhawks like you. I assure you, that played no role in the goals or business strategy of the network. Again, it's that annoying right winger tendency to posit a false assertion, then use it to denigrate your target. Lame.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 02:37  

  • Nick: you are wrong. Premiere has a distribution deal with Limbaugh. They don't own him, they pay him for the bucks they make to distribute him.

    With his numbers, he could run out his contract and sign with anyone, or no one and do the distribution himself. It might piss Clear Channel off, but they'd go along.

    SP is an idiot getting his talking points off Air Idiot's website. FOX had all the weight and financial backing of NewsCorp, so they could afford to run in the red for a couple of years and it wasn't a blip on the balance sheet. Look at the NY Post. They are a moenyhole, but Murdoch doesn't give a rat's ass because he hauls in money hand over fist from other arms of his operation.

    Air Idiot doesn't have that option.

    SP: You say I'm wrong in stating that AAR's purpose for being was to comabat the VRWC keeping folks like them off the airwaves...what planet do you live on, kid? They said it in their announcement of intent! They were going to take Limbaugh, Hannity and Clear Channel out. They said they were going to buy their own stations and go toe-to-toe with those exact opponents.

    Oh, and the "musket ball" crap? Junior, I've been riding a modem probably longer than you've been alive. I cut my teeth running BBs systems and hacking AT&T. I'f I wanted to find you, you'd be found. And believe me, I wouldn't need Google. You might not know it, being a kid, but you leave a footprint anyone who knows how to look can see.

    More likely, you're just a poseur when it comes to the ad game, because if you knew a damn thing about the relation between ad rates and radio, you'd know AAR is a total dog. Take up Nick's challenge and compare the rate cards of any stations in the same market that feaure Air Idiot any whoever the hell else is on the local dial. The AAR channel will be bottom dwellers.

    By Blogger TC, at 19 August, 2005 02:59  

  • Take their *Chicago* affliate WCPT 850 AM for instance, it's actually in Crystal Lake IL, population 38,000! I suppose this is what happens when you're force to pay stations to carry your content. You buy one in Crystal Lake and say it's in Chicago.

    It's worse than that, since they power down at dusk. Their afternoon drive show's going to get the shaft in the winter when no one will hear them after about 4pm.

    By Blogger eLarson, at 19 August, 2005 09:07  

  • Most stations in rural areas are community stations, typically 1K-5K stations. Their focus is mostly local personalities, local politics and local issues.

    I grew up in rural radio, and most stations are not "community" - at least, not in the sense that it's understood in the radio business ("Community" means "Public", but not necessarily supported by or affiliated with NPR). They're mostly small, and these days usually get most of their programming from the satellite, perhaps with local morning and afternoon shows.

    But it's true - the idea that FrankenNet is going to break into small market radio is ludicrous. (Even Fast Eddie Schultz, who's on the Jones network and broadcasts from Fargo, is mostly a mid-to-large market player these days).

    As to "Mick" and his list of stations - you think that's a network?

    I've filled in for Hugh Hewitt and Dennis Prager over a dozen times - the Salem network (a small player in conservative talk circles) is on about 100 stations, and has a combined payroll less than that of Al Franken's show. Which business model is more likely to survive?

    And look at your list a little more closely - I have. Many of those stations are *tiny* players. Many only play a few AA shows. All of them - even the ones that AA claims are successful - have ratings from disappointing to awful. The only ones that have a chance are the ones that Clear Channel is using to present a combo sales opportunity.

    http://www.shotinthedark.info/archives/005396.html

    Rumors of FrankenNet's success in the market are greatly overstated, and that's leaving out all the criminal activity...

    By Blogger G3, at 19 August, 2005 09:25  

  • Rush IS owned by Premier in that he has a syndication/distribution contract with them. I'm not sure the length of the contract. Sure Rush would make it on his own, but that may be a breech of contract thing with Premier (see also "Air America" for more information on breech of contract).

    AAR also has deals with Clear Channel. Clear Channel owns and operates most of their affiliates.

    As far as Franken's ratings go, I could find nothing on Arbitron that even mentioned Franken. Could you send me the link?

    Even if you're right. SO WHAT?!?! He's not bringing them any money! And I'll lay out my proof for you one more time;
    -Bounced checks to affiliates
    -Late or no pay checks for employees
    -Faulty loan payments to investors
    -Robbing from poor children and sick elderly
    -Defaulted judgement payments
    -Debt restructering (AnShell to Radio Free)
    -Debt restructering (Radio Free to Progress Media)
    -Debt restructering (Progress Media to Piquant)
    -Debt restructering (Piquant to Nova M)
    -Failure to pay former employees (Lizz Winstead)
    -Inability to attract big name advertising

    Any more questions?

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 09:35  

  • And, that the network keeps adding stations. Which are generating revenue. Until you can prove they aren't, which you cannot, because they are, you must admit you are wrong.

    I can. Here in Baton Rouge, WYNK-AM has been an AAR affiliate for a month now. I've listed around 1 1/2 hours each day during drive time.

    Know how many local paid commercials I've heard in that entire span? 2, both from a plumber's union.

    If they're making money, then I'm Michael Jordan.

    By Blogger BF, at 19 August, 2005 10:06  

  • Also, let's take a closer look at SP's list of AAR affliates.

    Of the 70 stations (71 counting XM), 19 have either no web presence or no programming schedule on their website.

    2 more (KCAA in Riverside and KAOI in Hawaii) carry NO live AAR Programming.

    Franken's show is carried live on 86% of AAR's listed affiliates w/ online schedules. Do you know who has the 2nd highest live clearance?

    Ed Schultz, on 56% of stations. And he's not even an AAR show!

    Even Rush is on 10% of AAR affiliates and he's always live while AAR's programming is tape-delay.

    By Blogger BF, at 19 August, 2005 10:16  

  • I tried to find something "investigative" about your post. I couldn't. Just a bunch of speculation and your normal trash talk.

    What's more important is how frantic your blog has become. You must smell fear from competition to the monopoly that the rabid right has on talk radio. Big market right wing talk is going south. WABC and WMAL have lost a good third of their markets. Al Franken is on the verge of overtaking Rush in Miami, Denver, and Portland. It's doing so well that Clear Channel has replaced Hannity with Schultz in several good sized markets.

    But it's too late for you, Brian. The cat is now out of the bag. The industry now knows that progressive talk is the biggest growth segment in the market. Do you really believe that even if Air America goes bust that Franken, Springer, Rhodes won't be still syndicated? Dream on!

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 19 August, 2005 10:56  

  • Even Rush is on 10% of AAR affiliates and he's always live while AAR's programming is tape-delay.

    That's because they want Randi Rhodes to have the afternoon drive spot in the west. Ed Shultz is a good filler until 3PM Pacific time.

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 19 August, 2005 11:05  

  • How can anyone take you limp members seriously who refuse to provide a blogger profile? Talk about credibility gap?

    I cannot wait until the next installment. I will read the evidence and I will decide.

    By Blogger al fin, at 19 August, 2005 11:07  

  • Off Topic, but since Rush is brought up so much here:

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200508190001

    LIMBAUGH: I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left.

    By Blogger Robert, at 19 August, 2005 11:39  

  • Hey Dick Tuck: You say Franken is "on the verge" of taking over Rush here in Denver. AIr America's afilliate (KKZN) is at a 2.0. Rush's affiliate (KOA) is at a 5.5. That's a difference of 3.5. Essentially, AAR has a looooonnnng way to go here in Denver.

    Now I'm sure you're going say something along the lines of "but look how far KKZN's ratings have come." And you would be right. (They had a paultry 0.4 when they first launched a year ago).

    But that means at their CURRENT rate of progression (0.32 average AQH shares per ratings period) they will need over 2 years to catch up to Rush (KOA).

    Another fact to consider is that KOA does not carry any other national conservative talk syndication, other than Rush. Keep an eye out for KNUS 710 AM. They have fairly new, and fierce, line-up consisting of Laura Ingrahm, Dennis Prager, Sean Hannity, Hugh Hewitt, and Michael Savage.

    And another fact to consider is that KOA's ratings always drop during baseball season. NOBODY goes to Rockies games...much less listens to them on the radio (they suck). During afternoon games, Rush is switched over to 630 KHOW and O'Reilly is bumped off the air.

    Once all the facts about AAR's sham transactions go public, KKZN will see a ratings spike (like Rush did when he was busted doing drugs). Then they will slowly fade to black. That is, if the network lasts that long.

    In the Denver Metro area, conservative talk shows beat liberal talk shows by 5 to 1 (hour to hour comparison).

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 11:58  

  • and why would anybody want Randi Rhodes to fill any time slot. Have you actually listened to her?

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 11:59  

  • "The industry now knows that progressive talk is the biggest growth segment in the market. Do you really believe that even if Air America goes bust that Franken, Springer, Rhodes won't be still syndicated? Dream on!"

    WTAM 1100 Cleveland 9-11 am.

    Last year Glen Beck 6 share.

    This Year Springer 1 share.

    WTAM did so badly in that time slot that WHLO out of Akron is now showing up in the ratings book in Cleveland.

    Franken will go back to being a political hack and not so funny man.

    Springer will find some more of the dregs of society to put on his TV Show.

    Randi Rhodes will go back to being a bad Socialist radio show host in one market.

    And Ed Schultz will go back to drifting from town to town, getting fired every 6 months.

    "Ed Shultz is a good filler."

    Nah, he's not even bad filler.

    Try again, Dickie.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 19 August, 2005 12:01  

  • Me: Even Rush is on 10% of AAR affiliates and he's always live while AAR's programming is tape-delay.

    DickTuck: That's because they want Randi Rhodes to have the afternoon drive spot in the west.

    El Wrongo, Mr. Tuck.

    Rush on AAR Affiliates:
    *****Cleveland (WTAM): Springer is the only AAR show carried on the station.
    *****Sarasota (WSRQ): ditto
    *****W. Palm Beach (WJNO): Rhode's old slot before she moved to AAR. And before you claim credit, "West Palm Beach" certainly isn't the "West" of which you spoke in your post.
    *****Maui (KAOI): Score one for Dick!
    *****Brainard, MN (WWWI): One Hour of AAR programming a day, from 1-2pm. Woo Hoo!

    Once again, Mr. Tuck has proven to be 80% wrong.

    By Blogger BF, at 19 August, 2005 12:05  

  • I will say that a gaming and thoroughbred racing client of mine buys time regularly on three AAR stations.

    Ho, ho! NOW we understand the persistent protestations! You have a dog in this race!

    And I won't worry about the musket ball thing. I've never seen anyone that could hit anything with one of those replica smokepoles.

    Fido

    By Blogger Tom C, at 19 August, 2005 12:17  

  • and why would anybody want Randi Rhodes to fill any time slot. Have you actually listened to her?

    She's like Joan River with PMS. and that voice.... I wonder if she gargles with Draino to get ready for her show.

    By Blogger Tom C, at 19 August, 2005 12:20  

  • Brian... c'mon. What a weak reply.

    Your "explanation" still explains nothing. Who is the anonymous source, and why is the source anonymous? If they have no agenda, then why wouldn't you reveal the source and use transparency as a weapon to support your piece? Also, this is not the only anonymous surcing that you use. you also have this gem:

    "Some insiders and industry observers believe Air America may be having serious difficulties raising money, after a well-publicized pattern of burning through cash, combined with spotty ratings and revenue performance."

    Who? What did they say? Why wouldn't you name these people, unless they have an agenda against AAR?

    Last, you claim that you cannot answer any of the twenty or so questions that you pose because your team of lawyers has advised you not to do so? Are you serious?? The only reason that a lawyer worth a bag of beans would give such advice is if you can't back up your "answers," thus exposing yourself to a lawsuit. Here are some of the "investigative" questions that you pose:

    Could the speech be considered an indirect attempt to solicit investors, in a way that would trigger required SEC disclosures?

    Either you know the answer to this question or you don't, period. If you know the answer, then let us know. If you don't, then this is a childish, small attempt to infer some illegality when you have provided no evidence of any kind to support such an idea.

    Could Nova M Radio also function as the next potential "sham transaction" vehicle, once Piquant is completely broke (which it seems close to now)?

    This one is particularly tasty, as you use quotation marks to distance yourself from the obvious attempt to declare both Piquant and the Nova M project to be shams.

    You provide no evidence at all that "Nova M" (1) is going to be an independent company (other than your inoperable link that has no specifics about how Nova M may be structured); (2) will result in Piquant ceasing to exist; or (3) will have any impact of any kind on AAR's current finances.

    Do you have any evidence to support any of your "investigative" questions? If so, please post it. If not, you have little to no credibility.

    By Blogger Y.G. Brown, at 19 August, 2005 12:33  

  • Read Byron York's NRO article - Wow!

    Now Hairball America is saying:

    The forensic accounting actually took place in May 2004, he said, during the second quarter of the year, rather than the fourth quarter — that is, it occurred immediately after Cohen left.

    Ho, ho! They knew abot the Gloria Wise deal almost a year and a half ago!

    OK, Hot Air America apologists - would you like to go back and "revise and amend" your prior sorry-assed excuses!

    What is the NEW excuse for today?!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 19 August, 2005 12:34  

  • Once again, Mr. Tuck has proven to be 80% wrong.

    Wrong once again Mr. Clueless. LA, Rhodes is on 3-7. That's the number 2 market.

    San Diego Rhoses in on 3-7

    San Francisco 3-7

    Portland 3-7

    Seattle 3-7

    Denver 4-8

    Pheonix 3-7

    Albuquerque 4-8

    Those are the major western AAR markets, and Randi Rhodes gets the afternoon drive in every one of them.

    You wingers remind of the old Yippies. Back in the late '60s, they held a demonstration trying to circle the Pentagon, believing that they could levitate it away. Wishing something weren't true doesn't make it so.

    Now Bryan, are you going to apologize to the readers of this board for trying to deceive them?

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 19 August, 2005 12:34  

  • Hey Dick Tuck: You say Franken is "on the verge" of taking over Rush here in Denver. AIr America's afilliate (KKZN) is at a 2.0. Rush's affiliate (KOA) is at a 5.5. That's a difference of 3.5. Essentially, AAR has a looooonnnng way to go here in Denver.

    Like Brian, you like to depend on the freebie data. Arbitron, for those willing to pay, offers 25-54 demographics for the 10-3 timeslot. That's where Rush and Franken compete. And there's where Franken is about to overtake Rush in Miami, Denver, and Portland.

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 19 August, 2005 12:37  

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  • 10-3 is not a time slot Tuck. Nobody does a 5 hour show. In Denver, Franken is on from 10-1 and Rush is on 12-3. They only compete for one hour. Is Franken about to over run Rush from 12-1 (when everybody is inside a restaurant or cafeteria eating lunch and not listening to the radio) Franken competes directly with Dennis Prager (KNUS). I'd be curious see how those two match up (neither are that good). But I'm not willing to pay for the information.

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 13:09  

  • Tom C said: "She's like Joan River with PMS. and that voice.... I wonder if she gargles with Draino to get ready for her show."

    RIGHT ON TOM! her and katherine lanpher are battling for "Most Abnoxious Radio Feminist" of the year.

    Did you listen to her immediately following the last election?

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 13:12  

  • OMG - it appears the "forensic accounting" (that identified the debt to Gloria Wise) took place BEFORE the reorg!

    If that is true - the investors of the "old" company (... same as the new boss) tried to reorganize in order to get rid of the debts...

    - including Gloria Wise!

    They KNEW that that Gloria Wise debt was there and tried to "shuffle the deck" in order to get rid of it!

    (Hmmmm... I wonder if Al or one of his representatives was at the investors' meetings in the late spring of 2004?)

    No more "Mickey the Dunce" excuses left!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 19 August, 2005 13:12  

  • RIGHT ON TOM!

    And she is a "star"?

    The network is just UNLISTENABLE.

    And how about Drobnys' claim that they can access the "untapped Yuppie market"?

    I'll bet I wasn't the only one laughing uncontrollably at that.

    Guess what - yuppies that "buy toys", such as boats, ATVs, SUVs also VOTE REPUBLICAN.

    Airhead America listeners grow their own vegetables, shop at the Salvation Army and make sandals out of old tires.

    But, go ahead, tell the fools with easy money that they are getting in on the "ground floor of a huge untapped market".

    Plus, look at the history of success!

    ha ha ha ha

    By Blogger Tom C, at 19 August, 2005 13:20  

  • Guess what - yuppies that "buy toys", such as boats, ATVs, SUVs also VOTE REPUBLICAN.

    Plus, look at the history of success!

    BOTH VERY GOOD POINTS!

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 13:22  

  • Hey-
    Does anybody on this post live in the Denver/Boulder area?

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 13:23  

  • When your refutation deals with the fact that Rush is always live on AAR affliliates and you come back with "But Randi is tape delayed so she can be in drive time", pointing out the time she's on in LA, SD, SF, and Denver means jack squat, because those aren't dual Rush/AAR affiliates.

    The question is: Why does AAR list as it's affliates stations that carry Rush live and (more often than not) tape-delay AAR programming? You've yet to remotely answer it.

    By Blogger BF, at 19 August, 2005 13:44  

  • I just hope they can clear all this up. Investigate, investigate, investigate. The mainstream media needs to shine a bright light on all this to help get it cleared up.

    Good liberal radio is dying the death of a thousand cuts by all these slow leaks and behind the scenes investigations. Shine the light of day on all of this so we can all move on.

    By Blogger Buffy, at 19 August, 2005 14:46  

  • Hey Tuck? I can get my hands on pretty much any Arbitron breakdown vis-a-vis timeslot and demo nationwide, and nowhere except in the fever dreams of Air Idiot supporters does a 10AM-3PM slot ever come up, and even then the AAR team by and large gets smacked around.

    Here's a question, skippy: what happens in the time frames in front and behind that slot of yours? Morning and afternoon drive, the bread and butter radio slots. Where's the Idiot's numbers in the two most important positions in any stations rate card?

    The overwhelming majority of AAR "Affiliates" shun their morning programming for a local show.In the afternoon drive time, I'll bet there are no more than four stations out of the entire AAR affiliate list that put competetive numbers up in afternoon drive by featuring AAR programming.

    By Blogger TC, at 19 August, 2005 14:58  

  • A cook opens a cafe, but his food won't sell. So to sell more food, he buys more cafes. Does that make sense?

    Or a doctor can't get patients, so he buys more offices and equipment. Doesn't that sound dumb?

    Does something smell funny, or is it just my twisted conservative imagination.

    By Blogger Pete, at 19 August, 2005 15:02  

  • A cook opens a cafe, but his food won't sell. So to sell more food, he buys more cafes. Does that make sense?

    It's the old hustle:

    "We buy it for a dollar and sell it for 90 cents!

    "How can we do this?

    "VOLUME, VOLUME, VOLUME!"

    By Blogger Tom C, at 19 August, 2005 15:08  

  • Nick and Brian (not Maloney),

    You have taken my mantle. You make this sailor proud.

    And Dick Tuck, you asinine moron, the dayparts are from 9-12 and 12-3, not 10-3. AGAIN, you know nothing about radio.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 19 August, 2005 15:11  

  • The NY Sun has a special section on the "Air America Scandal" - when you see the articles all lined up in one place you get a real sense for how bad this is.

    So, now it's officially a "scandal" on the media radar screens.


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  • Mick said "Sounds like it’s time for another PAIN AWARD (Payne). Be sure to include Michelle this time.

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    In that I have no idea what you're referring to, I'm afraid I'll have to pass on answering that. Must be some piddly-squat award that nobody but the tinfoilers have heard of.

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  • hey pete: It's real easy to explain... Wal-Mart has been doing it for years.

    By Air America opening in new markets, they can sell more of their dirt cheap advertising. More for less. Like Tom said "volume, volume volume."

    I'm sure AAR also is hoping that by opening in more markets that they'll be more successful at getting the word out. What they fail to understand is that when they started up, they got more free press than Hannity, Rush, or Savage ever got.

    The whole country has heard of AAR. Most of those people, curious as they were, tuned in to hear what AAR was all about. What did they get? Why a bunch of has been, un-funny, comedians and feminists bashing their country 19 hours a day. Seriously, when was the last time Franken did anything good before the debut of AAR? HE HAS NEVER BEEN FUNNY!

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 16:15  

  • Hey Bob Nelson: Have you seen the ratings for Air America in Boston? They're awful. 0.4 and 0.2 and falling.

    Somebody explain to me how a liberal radio network has horrible ratings in, probably, the most liberal city in America?

    No seriously... I'd like to hear an explanation on this one.

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 16:22  

  • yeah you're absolutely right about those Boston ratings.

    btw a post on radio-info.com says the "1200 switch" may be premature--supposedly a tech. glitch that put Spanish programming on one of the Boston AAR stations but I haven't tried to tune in yet so who knows. (For a couple hours it looked like they dumped AAR on WKOX and maybe they did... but the post said libtalk is back.)

    By Blogger raccoonradio, at 19 August, 2005 16:40  

  • To be fair, a Berkley group came out last week with a list of the most Liberal cities and Boston was only #24.

    However, a peek at the list shows us 5 of the top 6 (Detroit, Gary, Berkely, DC, Oakland, Inglewood) are overwhelmingly minority, and not exactly AAR's target audience.

    By Blogger BF, at 19 August, 2005 16:54  

  • Fair Enough Bryan, Lets take a look at AAR's ratings in the top five most Liberal cities in America.

    Detroit = 0.4
    Gary, Indiana = No AAR Afilliate
    Berkely, CA (closest is San Fran) = 1.2
    Washington D.C. = 0.4
    Oakland, CA (closest is San Fran) = 1.2

    Doesn't look so good huh?

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 17:20  

  • here's the ratings for every AAR station on the east coast:

    Eastern Rush Afilliate AAR Afilliate
    Akron, OH - WARF-AM 1350 AM 2.6 0.4
    Ann Arbor, MI - WLBY-AM 1290 AM 8.2 0.9
    Asheville, NC - WPEK-AM 880 AM 5.3 2.2
    Atlanta, GA - WWAA-AM 1690 AM 2.4 0.7
    Binghamton, NY - WYOS-AM 1360 AM 8 0.7
    Boston, MA - WXKS-AM 1430 AM 4.2 0.4 and 0.2
    Burlington, VT - WTWK-AM 1070 AM 0.4 1.9
    Charleston, SC - WLTQ-AM 730 AM No Data 0.5
    Cincinnati, OH - WCKY-AM 1530 AM 4.7 0.8
    Cleveland, OH - WTAM-AM 1100 AM Shared Station Shared Station
    Columbia, SC - WOIC-AM 1230 AM 4.3 0.9
    Columbus, OH - WTPG-AM 1230 AM 8.2 1
    Detroit, MI - WDTW-AM 1310 AM 5.6 0.4
    Huntington, WV - WRVC-AM 930 AM 3 1.7
    Miami, FL - WINZ-AM 940 AM 2.8 2
    New York, NY - WLIB 1190 AM 3.2 1
    Philadelphia, PA - WHAT-AM 1340 AM 3.6 0.7
    Portland, ME - WLVP-AM 870 AM 8.7 1
    Providence, RI - WHJJ-AM 920 AM 4.1 1.8
    Rochester, NY - WROC-AM 950 AM 10.3!!! 0.9
    Sarasota-Bradenton, FL - WSRQ-AM 1450 AM 6.4 1.1
    Springfield, MA - WHMP-AM 1400 AM 7.7 0.8
    Washington, DC - WWRC-AM 1260 AM 2.9 0.4
    West Palm Beach, FL - WJNO-AM 1290 AM Shared Station Shared Station
    Average Rating 5.33 1.05

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 17:22  

  • sorry guys. that didn't work out too well. the first number (next to each AAr station name and call number) is Rush's afilliate rating. The second number is AAR's rating. let me know if you want the same data for the rest of AAR's stations.

    By Blogger Nick, at 19 August, 2005 17:24  

  • Good work! Now if someone could google each of those AAR stations to see how many AAR show they actually carry, that would be cool!! Keep in mind Rush is just one guy, AAR is (albeit piss poor) a network of many talk hosts.

    By Blogger Lidsville, at 19 August, 2005 18:47  

  • Wonderduck:

    You’re so wrong about this Blog it make me wonder what it is your drinking.

    You said: In that I have no idea what you're referring to, I'm afraid I'll have to pass on answering that. Must be some piddly-squat award that nobody but the tinfoilers have heard of.

    You obviously don’t read this Blog. Go up a few posts and see what you find.

    You said: As I've pointed out once, whether you think, Mick, that it's a non-story or not, it IS radio business, which makes it perfect fodder for a RADIO blog.

    Still wrong. This is a political Blog and you don’t need to take my word for it just look below at the past posts I found in the archives.

    Why else would anyone spend 4-5 weeks on one subject?

    Want to take it back?

    You said: You'll note that none of the other stories you mentioned had anything REMOTELY to do with radio. Which might just be why they haven't been talked about.

    I think I said it all above, don’t you?

    Wake up and start reading and stop posting until you do read the posts so you’ll be better able to speak on a subject.

    You said: Want to talk about them? Start your own blog! Then you can harp to your heart's delight about ANYthing you durn well please!

    See what I mean, you just don’t read. If you had you would have seen way up above that I do have a Blog. http:/www.thebscorner.com But thanks for mentioning it again.

    One of the posts is talking about TV. How did TV get in with a RADIO BLOG???
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    By Blogger mick, at 19 August, 2005 19:39  

  • TV Easily gets in with a radio blog.

    If you happen to go to pdxradio.com, you will see TV posts.

    Plus, to make a link, 87.5 on the FM dial is the same frequency as that of Channel 6.

    Radio and TV go together like Salisbury Steak and Mashed Potatoes

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 19 August, 2005 22:38  

  • None of you Dukes of Hazzard-loving WalMart-rag-wearing chickenhawks knows the first thing about Arbitron ratings or how they're used. You don't even have access to the real data, so just leave it alone.

    It's obvious from the way one of you went to the trouble of listing all the stations and their "ratings."

    Stations pulling a one share in NYC will earn TONS of money, as long as that one point consists of the right demographic groups, concentrated at the right daypart.

    Again, I run an ad agency, and we spend tens of thousands a year on AAR station advertising. And it works like gangbusters.

    Moreover, you don't understand how shows grow and audiences build in radio. Franken has gone from 0 to 3 million weekly listeners in a little over a year. This is an incontrovertible fact, reported in the most recent Arbitron book.

    Again, it's not nearly the level of the fat drug addict. It is enough, however, to attract national advertisers like Ford, General Motors, Geico, Maytage and TD Waterhouse.

    These are decent numbers, and represent growth in a fairly stagnant industry. That is why AAR continues to grow, and why ClearChannel is converting many of their smaller stations to progressive programming.

    These are the facts. Sorry if they don't mesh with your hate-filled, zenophobic belief system.

    I would LOVE to see one of you neanderthals come up with a fact-based counter argument.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 19 August, 2005 22:51  

  • the improper conduct stems from Evan Cohen who hasn't been with Air America in over a year.

    how does this make Al Franken look bad? Even Franken calls Cohen a crook.

    By Blogger Bandini, at 19 August, 2005 23:20  

  • Again, it's not nearly the level of the fat drug addict. It is enough, however, to attract national advertisers like Ford, General Motors, Geico, Maytage and TD Waterhouse.

    They even get advertisements for Exxon/Mobil, notwithstanding how much the AAR hosts criticize big oil.

    Who's chopping onions?

    By Blogger WHT, at 19 August, 2005 23:27  

  • how does this make Al Franken look bad?

    Oh, you are not paying attention here, I guess. Franken looks pretty bad. Every other apologist 'excuse" has been trampled by the wayside as this story has unfolded - you'd have to be desperate to hang your hat on the increasingly flimsy "Al Knew Nothing" excuse!

    First of all, with respect to the money stolen from Gloria Wise - he said a few days ago: "I didn't know anything about this until last week".

    If so, he might have been the ONLY one at Hairball America who didn't know - the "forensic accounting" was done a year ago, and was most certainly discussed at the investors' meeting during the spring of 2004.

    Plus, it was mentioned in Multicultural's lawsuit filed this year. With Frankenberry's million dollar contract at stake, it seems pretty certain that he has a very strong personal interest in this, and knew something about the financial situation of the company.

    I mean, he claims to be able to dissemble complicated (and mostly imagined) Haliburton transactions, but doesn't know what's going on when his paychecks stop?

    Talk about a lying liar!

    Hey - I'd say there are lies, damned lies and AL FRANKEN!

    Fido

    By Blogger Tom C, at 20 August, 2005 00:05  

  • we spend tens of thousands a year on AAR station advertising.
    Hey, big spender - so what you spend on Err America advertising during a whole year pays Big Al's salary for maybe a week or two.

    I see some major problems with this business model.

    By Blogger Tom C, at 20 August, 2005 00:11  

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  • SP needs to learn the facts.

    "Franken has gone from 0 to 3 million weekly listeners in a little over a year. This is an incontrovertible fact, reported in the most recent Arbitron book."

    2005 Talkers Magazine Talk Host Survey


    1. Rush Limbaugh 14.75 million
    2. Sean Hannity 13 million
    3. Michael Savage(t) 8.75 million
    3. Howard Stern (t) 8.75 million
    5. Dr. Laura Schlessinger 7.50 million
    6. Laura Ingraham 5 million
    7. Jim Bohannon 3.75 million
    8. Neal Boortz (t) 3.5 million
    8. Mike Gallagher (t) 3.5 million
    10. Clark Howard 3.25 million
    11. Glen Beck (t) 3 million
    11. Don Imus (t) 3 million
    11. Bill O'Reilly (t) 3 million
    11. Doug Stephan (t) 3 million
    15. Dr. Joy Browne (t) 2.75 million
    15. George Noory (t) 2.75 million
    17. Kim Kommando (t) 2 million
    17. Michael Medved (t) 2 million
    17. Dave Ramsey (t) 2 million
    17. Jim Rome (t) 2 million
    21. Bob Brinker (t) 1.75 million
    21. G. Gordon Liddy (t) 1.75 million
    23. Jerry Doyle (t) 1.5 million
    23. Tom Leykis (t) 1.5 million
    25. Bill Bennett 1.25 million
    26. Jim Cramer (t) 1 million
    26. Dr. Dean Edell (t) 1 million
    26. Phil Hendrie (t) 1 million
    26. Rusty Humphries (t) 1 million
    26. Tony Snow (t) 1 million

    Sorry, no Franken, no Rhodes, no Springer, not a one of Air Rancid.

    You guys are getting beat by Dean Edell.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 20 August, 2005 00:29  

  • Purple Raider,

    Got a link for that "info" other than something that links back to this blog?

    If you don't think Franken has at least million listeners your hatred of AAR and Franken is blinding you.

    Funny - where is Maloney in the list?

    By Blogger Robert, at 20 August, 2005 00:41  

  • Nick,

    You said "Seriously, when was the last time Franken did anything good before the debut of AAR? HE HAS NEVER BEEN FUNNY!"

    I recall a pretty funny Saturday Night Live skit (original cast), where Franken and his tall and slender sidekick - Davis - were the "Three Mile Island Players" a two-man mime team who "performed" in the background as a company official updated the press on the emergency at the reactor. I don't know, maybe it was the black leotards and "white face" makeup plus the goofy "mime" moves that cracked me up.

    I still think Franken needs help - professional help.

    By Blogger dave, at 20 August, 2005 00:49  

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    By Blogger tweedledeetweedledum, at 20 August, 2005 01:01  

  • Robert, below's a link to another blog, one that in no way can be considered a "right wing hit squad" member that affirms that no one from Air Idiot made the list.

    right here

    So, if they acknowledge that Franken does not in fact have one million listeners, and took pains to defend the fact, doesn't that make your blind belief he does pull that many listeners mark you for a blind, fact-hating nincompoop?

    By Blogger TC, at 20 August, 2005 03:24  

  • The real question here is: why do you feel so threatened by a radio network that, in your own estimation, is tiny and losing ground? A hallmark of totalitarian regimes is rabid intolerance of any form of dissent, no matter how seemingly insignificant…

    How strange that a group of people claiming to be super-patriotic Americans can be so unnerved by fellow citizens exercising their constitutional rights of free speech and disagreement with the power structure.

    It might appear that the reliance upon tissue-thin allegations of financial improprieties means that the right-wing squawkers are forced to resort to any means available in an attempt to silence the only electronic soapbox remaining to liberals and progressives after the corporate rollover by mainstream media. They don’t seem to be able to mount any logical refutation of their general message (at least none that I’ve read or heard), so they attempt to cut off their financial oxygen…typical behavior of a bully, one could say.

    I wonder if any of you uttered a single word of reproach toward mega-media Time-Warner when their $700 million book-cooking came to light…two wrongs do not make a right of course, but let’s put this in perspective…although I realize the far-right has, at best, a tenuous grasp on the concept of “fair and balanced”.

    Nearly 9 billion US taxpayer dollars intended to rebuild Iraq are AWOL today, and a Republican-controlled Congress refuses to investigate the situation -- but the penny-ante finances of a struggling start-up network is big news? Come on...

    And count me as not surprised if a part of Air America's financial troubles have something to do with corporate America largely withholding advertising dollars, or the lack of large corporate-owned radio stations willing to take a chance on carrying their programming. Conspiratorial? Perhaps…but if you learn anything from history, it’s how the elite often conspired to press their agenda and punish their foes.

    To be blunt, when you shine a light on a mass of cockroaches, they tend to scatter…is that what they’re really afraid of here?


    “Has there ever been a society which has died of dissent? Several have died of conformity in our lifetime.” - Jacob Bronowski

    “May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.” - Dwight D Eisenhower

    By Blogger Wheatfield, at 20 August, 2005 06:33  

  • The real question here is: why do you feel so threatened by a radio network

    Who feels threatened by them? They've been bashing us conseratives for the last couple of years, using every little lie, dirty trick, with a smug little "We're Superior" attitude, and still lost every major election and cause they have taken on.

    Now they've really stepped on a rake and hit themselves in the head.

    It's FUNNY.

    Hey - wait a minute - maybe Al Frankenberry IS funny! All of this is a "Superior Arrogant Liberal turns out to be stealing money from an inner-city charity" bit!

    It's sort of the left version of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker!

    ha ha ha ha

    By Blogger Tom C, at 20 August, 2005 10:37  

  • That is why AAR continues to grow, and why ClearChannel is converting many of their smaller stations to progressive programming.

    You gave the game away in your own post.

    If it was doing so well, then ClearChannel would be converting many of their larger stations to AAR.

    Nice try, though...

    By Blogger BF, at 20 August, 2005 11:24  

  • Robert, if you saw the previous post you saw the link to Talkers Magazine. To say otherwise is being blinded by hatred.

    Mr. Maloney's employment is something he will have to discuss, not I. I do not live in the Northwest (thank God) and my knowledge of the radio stations in that area is quite limited.

    "The real question here is: why do you feel so threatened by a radio network that, in your own estimation, is tiny and losing ground?"

    I don't feel threatened. I understand what it is: a bunch of Marxist propagandists spewing hate, filth, and lies 24/7. Old reprobate hippies who are mired in the mindset of the 1960's still thinking they are relevant, when sadly, they are not.

    And now, apparently, some of the biggest crooks on the planet.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 20 August, 2005 11:54  

  • By Wheatfield, at 6:33 AM

    To Wheatfield:

    You said: “How strange that a group of people claiming to be super-patriotic Americans can be so unnerved by fellow citizens exercising their constitutional rights of free speech and disagreement with the power structure.”

    What a great post. I wish I had said it first, but no matter you hit the nail on the head.

    Some of these folks here just don’t get it. They enjoy name calling and will say and do anything to discredit anyone that they disagree with. You only need to look at how they have TRIED (without success) to smear Cindy Sheehan.

    When they are caught using these tactics they will lie. See my post for yesterday on my Blog at http://www.thebscorner.com to see Rush Limbaugh try to lie about what he had said on one of his shows. He doesn’t seem to understand that the tape recorder is still in use today.

    Anyway, good job.

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 20 August, 2005 12:05  

  • I love stupidity like this coming from ignorant leftists:
    These are the facts

    and then she continues to type bullshit and out & out lies.

    Political talk radio is a "stagnant" industry? Really moron?
    Then how did Glenn Beck come out of basically nowhere and get on triple the stations AAR is on?
    Given your other misguided and false comments, I do not believe for a second you run anything, much less an ad agency ("it works like gangbusters", yeah right, running ads to nobody).

    wheatefield, if possible, your post is even more stupid.

    What you ignorant liberals don't understand is its not "dissent" per se, it's your methods - America Bashing, lying, innuendo, smugness (" Dukes of Hazzard-loving"), etc.
    Since you have little to no comprehension skills, you can't grasp that.

    By Blogger Ace, at 20 August, 2005 12:05  

  • TO: The Ace, at 12:05 PM

    Mr. ASS (Ooops ACE) said: What you ignorant liberals don't understand is its not "dissent" per se, it's your methods - America Bashing, lying, innuendo, smugness (" Dukes of Hazzard-loving"), etc.
    Since you have little to no comprehension skills, you can't grasp that.

    Could you give this IGNORANT LIBERAL an example of how we are “AMERICA BASHING” . You guys say that ALL THE TIME.

    Oh yea, here’s another one you all like to use. WE DON’T SUPPORT THE TROOPS. Can you explain that to me? Is it because I only spent 8 years in the Coast Guard and didn’t do 20? Is that the problem.

    I’m sure there are more things we do that really piss you off but let’s stay on these two for now.

    I’ll check back later for your INTELLIGENT and THOUGHTFUL reply.

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 20 August, 2005 13:00  

  • Mick, when is the last time anyone on the left, said anything positive about the situation in Iraq?
    Did Senator Durbin rush to the Senate floor to hail the election?

    As to "America Bashing" how about I just leave it with examples of how those on the left side with the enemies

    OBL/Terrorists Democrats have come to agree on the following:
    1. There is "torture" at Gitmo
    2. The invasion of Iraq is "unjust"/for oil/blah,fucking blah
    3. The criticisim of Bush for reading "My Pet Goat" direct OBL Quote: "He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers."
    4. The left constantly sides with the terrorists in court cases, public statements, "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win" - Mike Moore
    ---And don't tell me he "doesn't speak" for the Democrats. The Dem leaders in the Senate were invited by him to see F-911 and atteneded, at the MPAA in DC. Further, he was invited by Jimmy Carter to sit in his box at the Democratic National Convention.
    5. OBL, and the leaders of the Democratic party agree "Bush lied"
    6. "We've got rid of Saddam and I suppose it was a good thing." - Howard Dean
    7. “I've resisted pronouncing a sentence before guilt is found," Dean said. "I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials." - Howard Dean

    By Blogger Ace, at 20 August, 2005 14:04  

  • I'm still waiting the counter argument that's based less on passion and more on substance.

    Purple Radier, Quoting "Talkers Magazine" doen't cut it. It's unreliable, irrelevant, relying on figures that are over a year old. Before AAR was registering in Arbitron.

    Here at the agency we get quarerly reports from Arbitron -- the industry standard -- that analyze listening trends in hundreds of markets and dozens of demographics. Again, Franken is coming out at around 3 million weekly listeners.

    TC Lynch (appropriate last name), here is how your link characterizes the Talkers List:
    "It’s from the ubiquitous Michael Harrison’s trade journal that every year, through a mysterious and sometimes dubious process of interviews with listeners and radio professionals; tea leaves, nepotism, (or incest) and intrigue comes up with a top 15 spots in talk radio in the country ranked by audience size."

    Nice job substantiating your point. I can tell I'm in the presence of some real heavy thinkers and industry experts.

    Especially when Bryan jumps all over me with his "if it was doing so well, then Clear Channel..."

    My point, you Falwell-following imbecile, is that they are doing well enough to add nearly 2 dozen Clear Channel stations. Even if they're small, that represents growth.

    And finally, to the Ace, re: the vitality of the talk radio insustry. I'm sure Glenn Beck -- the genius who believes a 19th century philandering huckster is the literal saviour of mankind -- has been a smashing success. He is one act.

    I, of course, am referring to the entire industry. Adweek, Advertising Age, Business Week, The New York Times and Wall Street Journal have all run news articles or editorials about the stagnancy of commercial talk radio. Ratings are down across the board because of the post election lull. And new technologies like podcasting and statellite radio are making advertisers and investors question radio's viability. For example, the stock price for both Clear Channel and Viacom has been stagnant over the past year months, both trading well under the 12 month high.

    You can have Beck. I'll take the truth.

    Don't believe I run an ad agency? Your perogative. I've developed campaigns for companies like Apple, IBM, Kodak and Walt Disney. I've won every award of merit, including One Show, NY Art Directors Club, Graphis, London's D&AD, and the Mercury Award for best radio advertising in the nation. I'm a member of the One Club, and past member of the 4A's.

    My work has run on practically every commercial radio station in the country. So don't tell me I don't know advertising and radio.

    I'd respond further to Ace about my false comments. But, in typical Bush-sucking fastion, he's all bluster and deception.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 20 August, 2005 16:28  

  • SP said:

    "They discovered the irrgularity or malfeasance or whatever you want to call it, and they brought it to light.

    They're paying the loan back."

    If it had been Rush Limbaugh, he could have paid it back in one day.

    By Blogger Vermillion & Pico: Our Political Website, at 20 August, 2005 16:33  

  • antvq said...
    "I was wondering what was up with Philadelphia, PA - WHAT-AM. I can usually hear every AM station out of Philly pretty clearly, but when I try to pick up AAR, all I get is static with some mumbling heard in the background.

    It's funny that in a city that has been run by the left for many years, that AAR can't find a decent station to host it's programming. On the other hand, the 'right' side of the dial seems to be doing rather well for itself."

    I'm not certain why Air America couldn't find a better or stronger station in Philadelphia, but they're being outclassed by two conservative talks stations and several Christian radio stations including talk programs.

    Of course, when you headliner is a comedian who isn't trying (intentionally) to be funny, and your great new program is Jerry Springer, I can see why it would be difficult to get ratings.

    By Blogger Vermillion & Pico: Our Political Website, at 20 August, 2005 16:37  

  • Tom C

    your accusations may pass muster on a conservative website or on conservative radio but in the realm of facts and reporting that involves integrity and research none of what you have said concercning culpability on the part of Mr Franken or any other Air America host has been proven to be true or have any shred of truth to it.

    There is a reason this story has not been reported to your liking in the mainstream press. Your facts aren't facts. They are mere accusations that may get approval on conservative blogs, conservative message boards,talk radio, and fox news but when tested under the microscope of reporters with integrity they are exposed for what they are, as you have been.

    By Blogger Bandini, at 20 August, 2005 18:37  

  • TO: The Ace, at 2:04 PM

    Can I ask a serious question?

    What is it that we are fighting for in IRAQ?

    Over 2050 Coalition fatalities.
    Estimated 255 Contractors killed.
    Iraq civilian body count between 23589 and 26705 (for some reason this count doesn’t seem important).
    Over 20,636 Wounded in action. (the forgotten number wouldn’t you say).

    Cost of the WAR as of now: $188,817,612,000.00

    If you say FREEDOM than I suggest you look at your list again and say OH THAT’S WHAT FREEDOM MEANS.

    If you say I can’t protest the killing and wounding of not only our troops but also the civilians then we are NOT FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM. It’s something else and I don’t want any part of it.


    Your Points:
    1. There was. Do you deny it. America is better than that.
    2. Unjust? In so far as we were sold a bunch of garbage. I don’t know about the oil business, so I’ll leave that to others.
    3. Don’t you think that MOST Americans took that with a very large grain of salt. The confusion on the presidents face was much the same as I was feeling at the time. I was watching TV that September morning and couldn’t believe my eyes and I was watching it. So to me that is satire. Here is my dictionaries definition of satire: A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. Pretty much says what this is all about wouldn’t you say.
    4. This one is sad and yet funny. I hear the same thing about the ACLU. I assume you know the ACLU fought for Rush Limbaugh’s right to privacy regarding his medical records, right. You all are obsessed with Michael Moore. I don’t get it. He made a couple of movies, pretty good ones at that. As far as I know he hasn’t run for anything so I guess I can worry about that later. One thing you need to think about seriously and that is FREEDOM OF SPEECH is precious and not something you want to give up easily. Without it you and I would not be having this conversation.
    5. Well I’ve never said he lied. . . but he sure stretched the truth wouldn’t you say. WMD, Iraq and 9/11 connection and other things that he and others in his administration have said.
    6. It was a good thing getting rid of Saddam but I find it a LITTLE strange when people justify it with the “he gassed and killed thousands of his own people.” If you look at the chart above you’ll see we are not doing that much better ourselves. It’s like some of the Right-To-Life folks that don’t want abortion because IT KILLS and yet they are perfectly happy to bomb/shot/kill to stop a women’s right to chose. How does that make sense.
    7. So are you ready to HANG Osama right now with out a trial? I’m not. As I said before America is better than that.


    You started this post with "Mick, when is the last time anyone on the left, said anything positive about the situation in Iraq?"

    I think I can answer that at least as I see it and I'm not talking for anyone else but me.

    There is NOTHING POSITIVE to say about IRAQ. I'm sorry there just isn't. Our men and women are being KILLED and WOUNDED every stinking day. To me there is no good news coming out of Iraq.

    Yes I know what some on the right say. . . we're painting schools and building hospitals. We'll let me tell you what that means to me. In the last local election (Feb 2005) all but one school district in Kitsap County voted DOWN the school bond issues.

    So much needed maintenance and new construction won't be done. My daughter-in law is an elementary school teacher and her class leaks when it rains. I don't know where you live but in our part of the country it rains a lot in the winter. She had buckets all over her class room. They finally brought in a portable and closed that room off.

    That’s just one example. The money we are spending on this war is crazy. I won’t be here to pay for it but my kids and grand kids will.

    What sacrifices have you and I had to make in support of this war? Putting a plastic ribbon saying WE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS on our car/truck/SUV don’t cut for me.

    We are all Americans and I wish that some folks on the right would stop trying to take issue with my patriotism, love of America, my support for the Troops and suggesting that I HATE president Bush. I don’t. . . I happen to disagree with him.

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 20 August, 2005 18:48  

  • "Those are the major western AAR markets, and Randi Rhodes gets the afternoon drive in every one of them.

    You wingers remind of the old Yippies. Back in the late '60s, they held a demonstration trying to circle the Pentagon, believing that they could levitate it away. Wishing something weren't true doesn't make it so.

    Now Bryan, are you going to apologize to the readers of this board for trying to deceive them?

    By Dick Tuck, at 12:34 PM"

    And Randi Rhodes is on during afternoon drive time on WHAT-AM in foul, fetid, fuming, foggy, filthy Philadelphia, 3:07 to 7:00 PM. But does that mean that anyone actually listens to her?

    No, not really: WHAT's ratings are in the same place Air America accused guards at Guantanamo of putting a Koran. In the bluest area of a blue state, Miss Rhodes is being overwhelmed by Sean Hannity during afternoon drive time.

    By Blogger Vermillion & Pico: Our Political Website, at 21 August, 2005 07:45  

  • SP said:

    "Quoting "Talkers Magazine" doen't cut it. It's unreliable, irrelevant, relying on figures that are over a year old. Before AAR was registering in Arbitron.

    Here at the agency we get quarerly reports from Arbitron -- the industry standard -- that analyze listening trends in hundreds of markets and dozens of demographics. Again, Franken is coming out at around 3 million weekly listeners."

    If Franken has 3 million listeners, where, oh where is the link to prove your point?

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 21 August, 2005 09:21  

  • Purple Raider,

    Here's one:

    8/15/2005
    Liberal talk radio trying to gain solid foothold

    http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050815/LIFE/508150336/1005

    "Al Franken, who goes head-to-head against Rush Limbaugh in many markets, has about three million weekly listeners to Limbaugh's 14.75 million on 600 stations"

    By Blogger Robert, at 21 August, 2005 09:54  

  • There is NOTHING POSITIVE to say about IRAQ. I'm sorry there just isn't.

    And that about sums you up.
    You are so ignorant its appalling.
    I'm not kidding, I actually feel sorry for you.

    but, to your silly ignorant liberal points:
    Don’t you think that MOST Americans took that with a very large grain of salt

    -Um, not quite. Mike Moore certainly didn't, and I still see ignorant leftist like yourself talking about it online.

    -Saddam didn't gas and kille "thousands" he killed 10's of thousands, if not more.

    And finally:
    1. There was. Do you deny it.

    Yes I "deny" it, as there was no "torture" at gitmo.
    See:
    Report Discredits F.B.I. Claims of Abuse at Guantánamo Bay

    Like I said, you are so ignorant I actually feel sorry for you.

    SP, the same comments are directed at you. Talk radio is "stagnant" but Beck gets on 187 stations from sratch. And at the same time, you run ad campaigns that are "like gangbusters"
    whatever.

    By Blogger Ace, at 21 August, 2005 10:33  

  • TO The A$$:

    Mr. A$$ I really thought we were having a conversation (I almost said Intelligent conversation but you have none so I won’t lie).

    You sure have a thing about Michael Moore. Have you ever thought about seeing a Dr. about it.

    Well I’m glad to see that your OK with the killing in Iraq as long as we keep it under. . . what 40,000, 50,000 or 90,000.

    So in your mind I guess ONE MANS TORTURE is another MANS GOOD TIME.

    And finally, thanks very much for your kind feelings toward me, it’s been awhile since someone felt sorry for me. YES!!! You like me, you really, really like me.

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 21 August, 2005 12:40  

  • "8/15/2005
    Liberal talk radio trying to gain solid foothold"

    A story with no hard data to back it up.

    Using that story as proof is no proof at all.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 21 August, 2005 23:05  

  • Purple Raider
    I don't know of an online link to prove Franken's weekly listenership, except for statistics quoted in the major media like the New York Times, Adweek, Brandweek, Advertising Age and (thanks, Robert) the Cincinatti Post.

    I am basing the totals I get from the detailed Arbitron reports we get at the agency. I had one of our media buyers go throught the spring '05 book and total up listnership from the markets Franken is in.

    This is data proprietary to Arbitron and its subscribers, like me. It's not on the Web. Otherwise, they couldn't charge agencies outrageous amounts for it.

    As much as it kills all you flyover fascists, may as well admit it. AAR is doing pretty good, and probably won't be going away for a long time. There is a small but passionate listener base. Most important, it's a demographic that advertisers covet. Much younger, better educated, and far more affluent than what the Limbaughs, O'Reillys and Savages are pulling in.

    That's why you'll hear General Motors and Geico on AAR, and General Steel Building and Polydent on Limbaugh.

    By Blogger jmaharry, at 22 August, 2005 01:58  

  • "I don't know of an online link to prove Franken's weekly listenership, except for statistics quoted in the major media like the New York Times, Adweek, Brandweek, Advertising Age and (thanks, Robert) the Cincinatti Post. "

    Then you have no proof.

    "As much as it kills all you flyover fascists, may as well admit it. "

    Fascists are all on the left, never on the right.

    "Much younger, better educated, and far more affluent than what the Limbaughs, O'Reillys and Savages are pulling in. "

    Most liberals are less educated than conservatives. In addition, from what every liberal has said, conservatives are the rich bastards that want to control the world.

    "That's why you'll hear General Motors and Geico on AAR, and General Steel Building and Polydent on Limbaugh."

    Geico is left wing and does not want to advertise on conservative radio. Same with Progressive.

    Haven't heard any Polydent commercial on Rush, Hannity, or any other conservative programs.

    Again, solid data for this fantasy that Franken has 3 million listeners.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 22 August, 2005 07:33  

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