Staffers Worried About AAR's Future
A Close Call
Most Recent Air America Payroll Days Late
(***UPDATED***)
Just how bad are workplace conditions for Air America staffers?
Perhaps far worse than we'd previously thought.
It's bad enough the company is generating fresh bad publicity almost daily, over the diverted $875,000 in taxpayer funds intended for a Bronx-based community service organization.
Now, to make matters worse, an internal memo obtained by the Radio Equalizer indicates Air America Radio employees faced late paychecks just over a week ago.
They were apparently stunned to receive a last-minute notice sent at 5:09pm Thursday, July 28th, indicating direct deposits would not be made Friday, as expected.
Written by company Vice President/Finance Sinohe Terrero (this article confims Terrero's corporate role), it implied the payroll processing company was to blame:
We have been advised by ADP that Direct Deposit will probably not post until Monday. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cost (sic). If you have any questions please feel free to call me.
Sinohe Terrero
VP Finance
212-871-****
718-807-****
Was it really a foul-up at ADP, the nation's largest payroll processing company?
Have you ever known ADP to delay direct deposits, due to its own negligence?
I thought not.
Worried insiders think the real problem may be something far more alarming: a lack of ready cash to make payroll on Friday, July 29th.
According to sources, it was a race against the clock to pay staffers that day, one that failed. An expected cash infusion arrived late, causing the mad scramble.
What a miserable weekend that must have been for the network's shafted workers, wondering about the fate of their next paychecks.
Since Air America employees face non-disclosure policy agreements, they've been speaking on condition of anonymity.
The sense of real trouble ahead compels them to divulge information. And maybe they're just tired of the hassles.
It doesn't appear many AAR staffers were fooled by the suggestion ADP might be responsible. Perhaps they've heard it all before, while the company assumes they're gullible?
Here's the kicker: could this mean the reported $13 million Air America received in March is already used up?
How could that be?
(new update) Since the new loan is said to be for a mere $2.5 million, it would not seem to be enough to cover AAR's huge overhead for long.
If $13 million didn't last six months, could $2.5 million cover more than say, six weeks?
That means more nail-biting for staffers this summer, with no stated concessions by Franken regarding his enormous salary. It seems that paying him is more important than kids, seniors, Air America staffers and whether the network even remains on the air.
And how's the revenue picture shaping up?
If there were a significant number of national advertisers paying top dollar before (unlikely given the low ratings), it's hard to believe that agencies would be buying Air America at all now, in light of this growing scandal.
If you're GM, a mobile phone company, or a food industry giant, do you want your good corporate name tarnished by an association with Air America?
No wonder the company wants a lengthy, interest-free installment plan to repay Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club. Everything it does have is going to fund bloated salaries for Franken and other hosts, who appear to make far more than industry norms.
Why doesn't Franken volunteer for a substantial pay cut, so the network might be saved and inner-city children can have their Boys and Girls Club fully operational, once again?
Update: welcome to LaShawn Barber, Michelle Malkin, Powerline, Hugh Hewitt, Orbusmax, STLMedia and other readers today!
Barber and Malkin each have excellent updates today, where they put the Air America issue into larger contexts, don't miss either. Ed at Captain's Quarters provides additional analysis.
Also, Cam Edwards weighs in today. I'll be a guest on his NRANews program today at 4:20pm EDT, heard on the SIRIUS Patriot Channel. More interview updates to be posted later, some still have tentative times.
Welcome Little Green Footballs and UNCoRRELATED readers! Thanks to Charles at lgf and the guys at UNCoRRELATED for their support today.
Update: Lance at Red State Rant asks:
"One question Brian: I wonder if Air America is late in making its witholdings to state and Federal government agencies?"
Lance takes the debate into a different direction, with a tie-in to liberal demands for a return to the Fairness Doctrine era. Not to be missed.
--- Macho Nachos has another update here.
--- lgf poster 3wood makes this point:
I have overseen payroll as part of my job for 16 years and used automatic deposit systems for many years.
Because of the timing of things, you have to have payroll pretty much wrapped up by Wednesday of pay week (which is why you pay 2 weeks in arrears), so I can see no way this was a payroll processing issue.
You have to wire out the money the day before payroll is due, and the wire window usually closes by about 11:00 am. That means they knew by noon on Thursday they were going to miss payroll and spent the rest of the day making up the payroll processing issue as an excuse.
Plus they sent the email notice out too late for any staffers to call the payroll company and double check the story.
I don't buy it.
Franken/Scandal by Darleen Click, others by Pete at IHillary.
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Most Recent Air America Payroll Days Late
(***UPDATED***)
Just how bad are workplace conditions for Air America staffers?
Perhaps far worse than we'd previously thought.
It's bad enough the company is generating fresh bad publicity almost daily, over the diverted $875,000 in taxpayer funds intended for a Bronx-based community service organization.
Now, to make matters worse, an internal memo obtained by the Radio Equalizer indicates Air America Radio employees faced late paychecks just over a week ago.
They were apparently stunned to receive a last-minute notice sent at 5:09pm Thursday, July 28th, indicating direct deposits would not be made Friday, as expected.
Written by company Vice President/Finance Sinohe Terrero (this article confims Terrero's corporate role), it implied the payroll processing company was to blame:
We have been advised by ADP that Direct Deposit will probably not post until Monday. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cost (sic). If you have any questions please feel free to call me.
Sinohe Terrero
VP Finance
212-871-****
718-807-****
Was it really a foul-up at ADP, the nation's largest payroll processing company?
Have you ever known ADP to delay direct deposits, due to its own negligence?
I thought not.
Worried insiders think the real problem may be something far more alarming: a lack of ready cash to make payroll on Friday, July 29th.
According to sources, it was a race against the clock to pay staffers that day, one that failed. An expected cash infusion arrived late, causing the mad scramble.
What a miserable weekend that must have been for the network's shafted workers, wondering about the fate of their next paychecks.
Since Air America employees face non-disclosure policy agreements, they've been speaking on condition of anonymity.
The sense of real trouble ahead compels them to divulge information. And maybe they're just tired of the hassles.
It doesn't appear many AAR staffers were fooled by the suggestion ADP might be responsible. Perhaps they've heard it all before, while the company assumes they're gullible?
Here's the kicker: could this mean the reported $13 million Air America received in March is already used up?
How could that be?
(new update) Since the new loan is said to be for a mere $2.5 million, it would not seem to be enough to cover AAR's huge overhead for long.
If $13 million didn't last six months, could $2.5 million cover more than say, six weeks?
That means more nail-biting for staffers this summer, with no stated concessions by Franken regarding his enormous salary. It seems that paying him is more important than kids, seniors, Air America staffers and whether the network even remains on the air.
And how's the revenue picture shaping up?
If there were a significant number of national advertisers paying top dollar before (unlikely given the low ratings), it's hard to believe that agencies would be buying Air America at all now, in light of this growing scandal.
If you're GM, a mobile phone company, or a food industry giant, do you want your good corporate name tarnished by an association with Air America?
No wonder the company wants a lengthy, interest-free installment plan to repay Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club. Everything it does have is going to fund bloated salaries for Franken and other hosts, who appear to make far more than industry norms.
Why doesn't Franken volunteer for a substantial pay cut, so the network might be saved and inner-city children can have their Boys and Girls Club fully operational, once again?
Update: welcome to LaShawn Barber, Michelle Malkin, Powerline, Hugh Hewitt, Orbusmax, STLMedia and other readers today!
Barber and Malkin each have excellent updates today, where they put the Air America issue into larger contexts, don't miss either. Ed at Captain's Quarters provides additional analysis.
Also, Cam Edwards weighs in today. I'll be a guest on his NRANews program today at 4:20pm EDT, heard on the SIRIUS Patriot Channel. More interview updates to be posted later, some still have tentative times.
Welcome Little Green Footballs and UNCoRRELATED readers! Thanks to Charles at lgf and the guys at UNCoRRELATED for their support today.
Update: Lance at Red State Rant asks:
"One question Brian: I wonder if Air America is late in making its witholdings to state and Federal government agencies?"
Lance takes the debate into a different direction, with a tie-in to liberal demands for a return to the Fairness Doctrine era. Not to be missed.
--- Macho Nachos has another update here.
--- lgf poster 3wood makes this point:
I have overseen payroll as part of my job for 16 years and used automatic deposit systems for many years.
Because of the timing of things, you have to have payroll pretty much wrapped up by Wednesday of pay week (which is why you pay 2 weeks in arrears), so I can see no way this was a payroll processing issue.
You have to wire out the money the day before payroll is due, and the wire window usually closes by about 11:00 am. That means they knew by noon on Thursday they were going to miss payroll and spent the rest of the day making up the payroll processing issue as an excuse.
Plus they sent the email notice out too late for any staffers to call the payroll company and double check the story.
I don't buy it.
Franken/Scandal by Darleen Click, others by Pete at IHillary.
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98 Comments:
Hey, no problem. They can always hit up the Salvation Army.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 08:02
I saw Franken, Garafolo, Springer, and Rhodes shaking down some Campfire Girls this weekend.
It got pretty rough and Franken got the shit kicked out of him.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 08:32
If you'll recall, Franken claimed to have gone without pay for a few months when the financial troubles hit last year. He then announced that he was again drawing a salary (after the infusion from Gloria Wise?).
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 08:43
I am a stock analyst whose investment management firm owns ADP shares and so I follow this company very closely. There is ZERO chance that the late payroll was ADP's fault. ADP collects payroll funds from its clients well in advance of the actual deposit date (indeed, the interest that ADP earns on these client funds is a major source of its income and part of its business model.) If the deposit did not happen as scheduled on Friday, it is because AAR did not get the money to ADP on time, PERIOD.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 08:55
Terrero's article didn't "infer". It implied the it was the payroll company's fault. Terrero hoped reader's of the article would infer what he implied. Keep useage straight-don't succumb to the poor grammar habits of others.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 09:44
3 new stations came online today. It looks like Lien Baloney's capaign is really working.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 10:06
RK is absolutely correct. ADP does not miss paydates. When the funds are there, they pay. Air America has been running on fumes since before it keyed a mike. It's no stretch of the imagination they would resort to knavish misapprpriation of funds because someone in the gang had access to someone elses checking account. The question remains. Who else did they rip-off?
By Beto_Ochoa, at 08 August, 2005 10:18
3 new stations came online today. It looks like Lien Baloney's capaign is really working.
Yeah, they're located in Pyongyang, Havana, and Beijing.
By E.W.Reed, at 08 August, 2005 10:18
If Al Franken or Jeannine Garafolo would repay that money out of their OWN POCKETS, I might respect them. a little. maybe. It would be a start.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 10:22
Hey Brian:
I am kinda late to this issue but you are doing great work on it.
FYI- I have been in a middle management role with two large start-ups and any and all news about funding sources, etc gets around to almost every employee. So, I suspect the large cash infusion was a very well-known fact among the Air America staff.
By I'm Full of Soup, at 08 August, 2005 10:26
Wow, 3 new stations. Impressive. Considering they lost one last week, that's a net gain of two. Until a couple more drop.
I'ld love to know what cities they are in. I'm sure the libs like to crow when they get a couple new stations....like in Pigsknuckle, Arkansas or Frostbite Falls, Minnesota...
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 10:27
3 new stations came online today. It looks like Lien Baloney's capaign is really working.
The elevators at the NY Slimes, bathrooms at NOW headquarters, and the fillings in your teeth don't count.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 10:33
"three new stations..."
Yeah? Who owns them?
Let's see, Air Idiot got a $19 mill infusion at the end of '04, and another $13 million buck boost in March, and they can't meet their payroll?
Can you say "PONZI SCHEME," boys and girls? I mean hell, where the devils did those dollars go?
By Unknown, at 08 August, 2005 10:40
And who's this "AJ" character?
By Unknown, at 08 August, 2005 10:40
Air America tells the truth to power. If we have to start taxing rich wingnuts to keep Air America going, we'll do it. This is a war of ideas, a war on wingnut terror. Collateral damage in a war is a given.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 10:45
Three new stations?
Missoula Montana pop. 57,000
Lafayette, Louisiana pop. 120,000
Victor Valley, Califonia pop. 66,000
Big BIG markets those eh?
By Beto_Ochoa, at 08 August, 2005 10:55
I wonder if AA has met its obligation to payroll taxes. If they are late with THOSE deposits, the federal and state tax boys will be at the doors, and it won't be pretty.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 10:55
I hear Michael Savage say that he heard Air America was "buying" affiliates, paying stations to air AA programming.
Given AA's recent financial debacle, Savage's claim would make sense. AA is spending money to get on as many stations as possible, but isn't getting the ad revenue to compensate.
Brett
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 11:02
It will be sad if AA goes under.
All the unemployed, friendless, excuse-making, America-hating, socialist, liberal losers who hang around AA blogs will have to back to not having a life.
Brett
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 11:07
I would like to know more about AirAmerica's business model. How much should it cost to run a radio network? I have no idea.
If it was a real network, they would only have to pay the salaries of the office staff, talent, and engineers, and I guess satellite time. They would earn money on network ad spots. Local stations would pay a fee for the show, or maybe take it free in return for local ad time.
Does Air America actually have to buy time on network stations? Are they having to give away network ad spots to make up for audience shortfalls? In short, how could a company with one centralized office, 4 or 5 on-air talent, and a couple of engineers burn up $3mil a month?
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 11:10
Great update! Air America Radio is the ultimate Liberal Bad Idea-that they could make money selling what they are happy to give away for free-their opinions. As the old joke goes, "That'd be like paying to see my wifes knees."
But I can see where the idea would appeal to them-get paid to grind their molars against the Republicans and President Bush. And the adulation of dozens of listeners who puff up Al Frankens ego. I'm worried about Janeane, though-her angst and self destructiveness may mess her up bad. Maybe we should contact those therapists who supposedly needed to help liberals get over the 2004 Election, and stage an intervention.
By Doug, at 08 August, 2005 11:33
Check out Air America's new ad campaign in light of their recent finances:
http://rambix.blogspot.com/2005/07/air-americas-new-ad-campaign.html
By Rambix, at 08 August, 2005 11:37
I thought they'd fold on November 5, 2004. Perhaps they should have, and saved themselves the grief.
If Franken can't get traction in Philadelphia, it can't be his ideas. It has to be the quality of his program at fault.
By eLarson, at 08 August, 2005 11:44
I have a couple years experience using ADP for payroll (for a medical office) - if they didn't make the Direct Deposits, it was because THE EMPLOYER TOLD THEM NOT TO. Lack of funds in the designated account (ADP prefers to be funded thru account transfer) would NOT stop payroll from being processed, tho if it wasn't there when they went to make the transfer (generally late the same day), there would be H___ to pay!)
We occasionally didn't make deposits/transfers into the account until the same day (so the bank's reported account balance was inadequate all day) and we NEVER had a problem.
The ONLY other reason they wouldn't make the payroll happen is that the EMPLOYER failed to get the pay information into ADP in time - and my experience with ADP suggests that they would work VERY HARD to help an employer NOT make that mistake..(lots of fone calls, emails, etc.)
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 12:51
Does Air America actually have to buy time on network stations? Are they having to give away network ad spots to make up for audience shortfalls? In short, how could a company with one centralized office, 4 or 5 on-air talent, and a couple of engineers burn up $3mil a month?
By Tom, at 11:10 AM
All excellent questions. AAR constantly bashes the Bush admin for being secretive. At the same time, AAR never divulges anything about its business practices. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
For example, who is the Sugar Daddy providing the cash infusions? And if things are going so well, why not post an income statement?
Brett
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 12:53
"As the network's star, Mr. Franken had negotiated a pay package valued at more than $1 million a year, according to a copy of the contract viewed by The Wall Street Journal."
WSJ June 21, 2004
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:05
The ONLY other reason they wouldn't make the payroll happen is that the EMPLOYER failed to get the pay information into ADP in time - and my experience with ADP suggests that they would work VERY HARD to help an employer NOT make that mistake..(lots of fone calls, emails, etc.)
By Anonymous, at 12:51 PM
Having worked in payroll, I find this highly unlikely.
Submitting payroll is the payroll dept's reason for being. It's not something you forget, especially since it's your money as well as everyone else's.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:07
From WSJ June 2004 Article: "Typically, networks allow stations to pick the shows they want, and both sides share the advertising revenue. Air America got its way in smaller markets. In big cities, Air America agreed to pay for airtime, which ultimately cost more than it could afford."
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:08
...what advertiser wants to be known as a supporter of lies?...
please step up!
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:08
I suspect you right wingnuts are obsessed with Air America because you don't want to talk about the Downing Street Memo, Pres. Bush's difficulty with the truth about Iraq? How he's going to get the Iraqi's to "stand up" to an insurgency that our own forces(undermanned force for securing the peace, see Gen. Shensheki) can't put down? Why don't you talk about the "democratic revolution thats sweeping the middle east because of our tea party in Iraq. Lets see, last week there was a report of Sharia being the basis for the new constitution in Iraq. You don't want to talk about how Iraqi women could end up with fewer rights than under Saddam? You don't want to talk about how Egyptian security forces attacked a prodemocracy rally in Cairo last week? You don't want to talk about this administrations outting of a CIA agent to settle a score with a political "enemy?" No, you all would rather rail and wax indignant over Air America and a question about its funding? Keep up the good work losers. The voters are going to make the Republicans pay at the ballot box in '06 and '08 for their lies and corruption. Care to wager?
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:14
You don't want to talk about how Egyptian security forces attacked a prodemocracy rally in Cairo last week?
Yes, that's exactly what the topic of discussion should be on a blog that covers the radio industry! Why talk about a failing, scandalized radio network when we can discuss Egyptian oppression or the imaginary crimes of Karl Rove!
Let's set up a gallows, too.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:30
I thought this thread was about Air America committing multiple felonies, stealing from the public and misappropriating funds internally, and still not being able to meet payroll demands? It's not about democrat lies, manufactured documents and failed policies. Especially the failed policies of the previous administration that exacerbated the middle east dilemma and fueled AlQaedas rise to prominence. Policies that gave nuclear weapons to the North Koreans and emboldened thugs around the world. The democrat party is as good as ruined in this country because they can't be trusted. Case in point, one of their media organs is caught stealing public funds from the poor.
By Beto_Ochoa, at 08 August, 2005 13:41
To speaktruthtoidiots,
HA, "Speak Truth To Idiots" it says!? That's so rich, you can't possibly be an AAR drone! Are you Godawfulho, or Frankenberry?
>> The voters are going to make the
>> Republicans pay at the ballot box
>> in '06 and '08 for their lies and
>> corruption. Care to wager?
First, I bet you're Al Franken. Second, the Dems will lose seats in 06. Third, there will still be a Republican president. And finally, just for kicks, it might just be another Bush.
How's that taste, Comrade Smalley?
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:42
Keep up the good work losers. The voters are going to make the Republicans pay at the ballot box in '06 and '08 for their lies and corruption. Care to wager?
By speaktruthtoidiots, at 1:14 PM
If you're anything like your loser, no-ratings-getting buddies at AAR, even if you lose, you won't pay.
Brett
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 13:44
I love it when raving moonbats like speaktruthtoidiots put down the bong long enough to relay, via poorly punctuated posts, just what the voices in their heads are telling them.
Say Anything Blog is helping AAR out with their bumper sticker clogan contest, and accepting entires from readers. Guess which one is mine.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 14:01
speaktruthtoidiots said:
"The voters are going to make the Republicans pay at the ballot box in '06 and '08 for their lies and corruption. Care to wager?"
I would happily take $10 of that wager. Shall we discuss escrow?
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 14:11
Sorry folks, I did change the subject on ya! But thats what this medium is about, speaking out! I changed the subject because talking about Air America and its current difficulties is too easy. Sure, I'll take my arguments to another blog and gladly share it with others. I wanted to rattle some cages. Consider me banished from the discussion board of this "lets-talk-about-how-great- conservative-talk-radio-is" only site. Now, you can all go back to painting on the walls of your caves! Continue preaching to the choir folks. I didn't intend to stop it, I only dropped in to critique its myopia. Pass the kool-aid to the next conservative in line, I don't want what you all have been drinking or smoking!
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 14:14
coming up...
Al Franken will discuss the nonstory online. Unlike Rush, and his trafficking in narcotics, Air America doesn't run away from spineless bloggers.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 15:00
Speaktruth...:
First of all, welcome to the board. Glad you got out from in front of your lifelong mirror pulpit to talk to us.
Hehe, you're defending AAR by talking about conservative radio preaching to the choir. Too bad AAR panders to those who either can't afford a radio, or those who aren't allowed to bring radios into the mosques they hide in.
To you, "current difficulties" for AAR means "brief troubles that will cease as soon as they find another government-run sham to soak."
Oh, and maybe we'd like to hear your "truth." Why don't you post the URL to your own blog? We'd like to come over and be told the "truth." Well, maybe not, if that truth basically involves whining about past elections, making accusations based on falsified documents, and honoring the Islamofascists who want to kill us.
Oh well, maybe Janeane will have change careers, from talking on radio to no one to making more movies that no one watches.
By E.W.Reed, at 08 August, 2005 15:00
I think it only fair to point out that Air America/Progress Media/Piquant are likely not exposed to any criminal liability.
It certainly seems like Gloria Wise's activities (loaning federal/state/foundation grant money to a start-up with insufficient security, involving a conflict of interest with one of its officers) violates both the terms of their contracts with the city/state/federal government, their by-laws, and the laws of NY state governing charitable organizations. Gloria Wise and Evan Cohen look to be in serious legal trouble.
And yet, I don't think Progress Media or Piquant are likely to be held criminally responsible. Even if Gloria Wise made illegal loans, it is generally not a crime to borrow money. I don't believe the law required AAR to ensure its lendor was following the law; an impossible standard to meet in any case.
Progress Media and/or Piquant certainly have a moral responsibility to repay the money, and may have a civil liability, depending on how the Piquant buy-out was arranged, how much corporate overlap there is, and so on.
As far as speakingtrulyasanidiot is concerned (I assume he misspelled his name), you libs are supposed to be the good guys! Can't you admit (even to yourself, in the privacy of mom's basement) that you should expect better behavior from people who tout themselves as morally superior to us lyin', hatin', gun-ownin', oil-profitteerin', bushitler-lovin', Christers?
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 15:09
Wingnut news scrapes the bottom of the barrel. The NY Post, cult leader Moonie Times, and jokes like the NY Sun rely on Lien Baloney and racist Michelle Malkin for scoops.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 15:15
Wingnut news scrapes the bottom of the barrel. The NY Post, cult leader Moonie Times, and jokes like the NY Sun rely on Lien Baloney and racist Michelle Malkin for scoops.
Yeah, if I posted anything that stupid, I'd want to remain anonymous, too.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 15:27
Someone inquired, who were the new stations carrying AA.
One is WSMB, AM 1350 in New Orleans. Owner is an MSO [multiple station owner], Entercom.
Directors are:
DAVID J. FIELD, GLADWYN, PA
JOHN C. DONLEVIE, DEVON, PA
STEPHEN F. FISHER, RADNOR, PA
EUGENE D. LEVIN, MAPLE GLEN, PA
MARTIN D. HADFIELD, BELLEVUE, WA
JACQUELINE J. ORR, YARDLEY, PA
ANDREW SUTOR, IV, ARDMORE, PA
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 15:28
I've worked for tech startups that missed payroll by a few days from time to time. One went bust; the other pulled through. As an employee it sure does make you nervous, but you don't panic the first time it happens for God's sake. Startups sail pretty close to the wind, sometimes a hair too close. That's the nature of the way things is.
Where's AAR's business at here? Do they have any sane expectation of revenues within the next month or two, or the next year, or ever?
All that having been said, the big stars at AAR like Franken could make tremendous PR hay out of this by grandly renouncing their salaries until things settle down financially (remember Lee Iacocca taking over Chrysler?). If they can't afford to do that, they can learn to economize, just like the "little people" at the bottom of the AAR ladder will have to do. The difference is that for the little people, "economizing" means feeding the kids mac'n'cheese four days a week, while for Al Franken "economizing" means selling one of his mansions. Poor little Al. He cares so much about the working class — just not quite enough to suffer the awful indignity of flying coach.
I've had a low opinion of Al all along here, taking home such a fat salary from a company that isn't even profitable yet. At every startup you have people who show up to make it succeed, and you have people who show up to loot everything they can before it fails. Al is behaving like one of the latter. If he were doing this out of pure nobility of heart, he'd be worried about their grand liberal mission first, the employees second, and himself last. I'm waiting for him to show any sign of that. I know he doesn't actually give a damn whether his employees starve or not, but it would be good leadership at this point to put on a smile and go through the motions, at the very least.
By Gordon Freece, at 08 August, 2005 15:34
Hell, scratch "pure nobility of heart" (though the lefties all tell us that's why they do everything they do); if he were even halfway committed to making the thing succeed, he'd be making the lower ranks a major priority. They may just be "little people" who don't matter because they didn't go to Yale, but you can't succeed without them.
AAR did everything wrong from the get-go, anyway. These high-budget, high-profile mongolian horde startups rarely make a go of it (remember the dot-com boom? Beuller? Anybody?). Businesses that work almost invariably start out small and quiet, and grow the hard way. An enterprise the size of AAR doesn't spring into fully-functioning profitable being at the wave of a checkbook. There are too many moving parts. It may seem like climing a mountain step by step "takes too long", but you can't jump to the top in one bound. You just can't. It's hard enough to rush building a small business and have it work; building a large one in a hurry is absurdly difficult. These instant-monster things don't often survive in the wild. I wouldn't invest a dime in these guys (rather give it to the homeless, where at least I know it won't pay for anybody's limo).
If there's anybody out there who'll be the "Rush of the Left", he's doing it one step at a time, and we'll hear from him when he's good and ready. We'll know him when we see him because he'll get the hype after he earns it, not before. His name will not be Al Franken.
By Gordon Freece, at 08 August, 2005 15:56
BOTE calculations on the three new AA stations (70% potential useful listeners, 1.5 rating for AA) they'll gain a whole new 1291 listeners.
Think of it!! Tens of dozens of new listeners under the best circumstances. Bet they're breaking out the champagne at AA.
JorgXMcKie
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 16:05
Lafayette, LA
http://www.louisiana.edu/
Missoula, MT
http://www.umt.edu/
Is anyone surprised?
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 16:09
Ratings in for Albuquerque and Spokane (according to Radio & Records):
AA station in Albuquerque rose from 1.2 to 2.4
AA station in Spokane rose from a 1.2-2.4
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 16:17
Oops. I meant:
Albuquerque from 1.2-2.4
Spokane from 0.5 to 1.3
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 16:17
Ratings gains for AA in both Spokane and Albuquerque.
Spokane: 0.5-1.3
Albuquerque 1.2-2.4
This follows other gains in places like Miami. Guess the format may have a chance after all...
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 16:24
It disturbs me that when a person with a pre-existing vendetta against anything that isn't along their lines of beliefs sees something like Air America come along they have nothing but anger that it opposes the voices of Savage, O'Reilly and Limbaugh.
Yes, Air America has faced financial struggles along the way but no new startup that sticks around has an easy go of things in the beginning. In the whol escheme of things, they are 18 months into their business which they started from scratch. All partisan bickering aside, they are doing an admirable job working with what they have and are able to get. 69 (or however many) markets with admittably marginal talent in that span of time is decent.
Quit worrying that they will squash your precious, government backed right-wing audio hatred.
The reason this hasn't been picked up by the 'evil' and 'ignorant' MSM is that these reports are unconfirmed.
Now move along and attempt to destroy something else you hate with your free blog.
By Sornie, at 08 August, 2005 16:43
Commrades of the vorld unite. We can beat these capitolist pigs mit the new proletariate network Air Amerika... I mean Air America. We vill tax them all until they oink "uncle". They will be happy to support a true people's station. Socialism always vins in de end. The statues of uncle Joe vill replace the Ten Commandments. Life vill become paradise. Send us all your rubals, I mean dollars now.
P.S. The goose step is coming back!... Ya it is!
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 16:53
The reason this hasn't been picked up by the 'evil' and 'ignorant' MSM is that these reports are unconfirmed.
Gee I'm so glad the MSM won't publish anything that's 'unconfirmed'. Oh, I forgot. That's only for those who oppose Bush and his supporters
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 17:06
To quote Harry Truman, "I never gave the Republicans hell. I told them the truth and they thought it was Hell."
I'll make this brief. To Ace, "the premises you write are false..." Well, Ace, the real false premise was the WMD argument used to justify invading Iraq. Period. Sorry, McWiz-"anator," but it is your party that will be "virtually ruined" by its inability to level with the American people and its failed policies. How many nukes did North Korea have on Sept. 12, '01? We don't know. How many did Saddam have? Zero, zip, nada! How many do the North Koreans have now? Five or six? Weren't they part of that "Axis of Evil" State of the Union speech? Hmmn, seems you have some explaining to do. To Anonymous and Emma, there are no democrats preventing the President from securing our borders. Ask yourself, did this misadventure in Iraq make it less likely, more likely, or have no effect on whether we are securer now than we were four years ago? You truthfully can't argue we're more secure. To Brian Maloney, keep up the good work, discussion is good for this country even if we don't agree on the answers to the difficult issues we face. Speak(ing)truthtoidiots, maybe, for the last time. Cheers.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 17:12
To Brian
If we are going to leave "all partisan bickering behind", I guess I can only quote 1/4 of your post.
Yes, Air America has faced financial struggles along the way but no new startup that sticks around has an easy go of things in the beginning. In the whol escheme of things, they are 18 months into their business which they started from scratch...69 (or however many) markets with admittably marginal talent in that span of time is decent.
I won't even go so far as to call the talent "marginal," as you did. Air America makes no impact on my life whatsoever. I don't listen to Rush, Hannity, or any other talk show host, left or right, and AAR has no affiliate in my area that I am aware of. I don't care how much money they have or don't have, how many listeners they have or don't, or what the talent's salary is.
I do care that this startup company, or one of its founders, apparently embezzled funds from a charity. (This is only "unconfirmed" as you say because there are no convictions yet. Air America has admitted to owing the money--at least morally--and has agreed to pay it back, according to their own public statements..)
I also care because it seems to me that someone who wants to claim the moral high ground from which to call me names ought to have earned it. Even if the current owners of AAR were duped by Evan Cohen (which is far from clear, given the overlap in ownership grounds), their actions have been deplorable, and as secretive as anything the administration has done.
And finally, I care that the New York Times in particular, which has written 49 articles about this modest little start-up company, can't find the time to cover a story developing a subway ride away, one which even the state Attorney General is looking at.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 17:44
Tom,
The NYT has not wirrten 49 articles about AA. It has written about half a dozen. The other "articles' are just mentions in articles about other things, like overall radio stories, the fact that Franken is going to run for Senate and, in one case, a wedding notice that included someone who works for AA.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 17:53
The ratings increased when the stations replaced AAR morning talent with local morning talent,
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 17:54
"Of course he is. He's hersey squirting himself because Clear Channel is replacing his loser show with Ed Schultz, and his ABC stations are in freefall. "
Dick, you think Seymore Hersh is a hero, how do you expect me to believe this BS?
Keep using that tinfoil for a hat, Dick.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 17:59
"Ryan said...
Ratings gains for AA in both Spokane and Albuquerque.
Spokane: 0.5-1.3
Albuquerque 1.2-2.4"
Bad Radio can get a 1 rating in the right market. Mediocre radio can get a 1.5-2 rating in almost any market.
I don't see any top ten stations on AA's list. That used to be the standard on whether a station was successful or not.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 18:04
Every political show's ratings have gone down since the Election Spike. Sean Hannity's ratings may be down, but at least he's not stealing money from children's charities to pay his bills.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 18:08
Hey Liblosers,
At least Rush paid for his drugs.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 18:11
Some people are throwing out numbers (ratings), and since I'm rather ambivalent about AA to begin with, looking them up myself would be far too much work. That being said, if you're quoting 12+ numbers, and squealing with glee, remember 12+ is not a demo. Advertising buys are not made on 12+ numbers, and the spot peddlers in my radio group don't sell them, either. Show me decent numbers 18-34, or better yet, 25-54, and I just may consider taking them seriously. As it stands now, especially with the latest problems, they're looking, and sounding more and more like a bad joke.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 19:20
Jeff Gannon writes:
"Oooh, I like Brian on my baloney."
Hey Geckert, get in line. Lien is in the barrel. Everyone gets a turn.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 19:27
Sam Seder's child is being born as we speak. Laura Flanders is cramming it up the hiney of Lien Baloney has started her guest host spot by highlighting the fact that the right wing let Osama get a "get out of jail free card", while Lien Baloney is Geckerting his Gannon.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 19:37
Brian, I enjoyed you on the radio in Seattle, and you're doing yeoman's work here. But I really question the spin you're putting on Air America Radio's statement regarding the July 29 payroll.
Saying that "We have been advised by ADP that Direct Deposit will probably not post until Monday," is *not* the same as saying that it is ADP's screw-up. It isn't even implied that ADP is at fault. The most logical interpretation is that ADP was not given funds to cover AAR's payroll. You arrive at this interpretation, but misleadingly imply it is contrary to AAR's statement. It is not.
AAR is not a model of candor, but simply saying that the payroll will be late without stating why does not make them liars. I fear you are spinning this into more than it is, a job normally reserved for AAR itself.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 19:41
STAFFER ISO Lien Baloney. Email gannon/guckert@whitehouse.com
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 19:47
Dick, my eyes are wide open.
You're the one with the conspiracy theory problem.
Which is good, I bought long on Alcoa.
Seymore Hersh got My Lie handed to him on a silver platter, and hasn't got one thing right since.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 20:01
Did Lien Baloney discuss Tom Delay stealing from poor children living on reservations?
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 20:02
Lien Baloney, worrier about poor children. Did Lien Baloney ever worry about slaves in Saipan, when Delay said the massers were like goo Americans? Perhaps Lien Maloney likes slave whores.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 20:06
Dear Brian,
My staff is your staff.
Love,
Jeff Gannon (Guckert)
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 20:18
Gotta love speaktruthtoidiots, or STTI. Aside from being, oh, six weeks to a couple of years behind the times, and having to go around the block to avoid EVER turning to the right, I'm sure he's a pretty rational guy. Or will be when his voice finally changes.
Too bad he hasn't caught up to the fact that a top Dem official "outed" the oh-so-out Ms. Plame when he was defending her husband by pointing out that "Joe isn't really so bad....and his wife works for the CIA, you know". Or that her own BOSS has given interviews about how, once she started dating someone in the embassy (he was almost always an aide, not a real ambassador) she knew she would have to give up her covert status, and how she used to tell EVERYONE she worked for the CIA. The DC press knew about her, the bad guys certainly did, pretty much everyone but those of us in mid-America, who really didn't care. So she was outed in Omaha---I'm horrified.
WMD as the only reasons to go into Iraq? So so so so very yesterday. One reason, yes, still confirmed by Iraqi testimony about burning toxins or shipping them to Syria. TRY to keep up, STTI. I even heard this on Saint Al's show this week, as Al floundered and sputtered and tried to head off his guest, who threw a major curve ball at Airhead America by coming on and actually telling the truth. Poor Al had to fall back on calling him a "fine young man" and asking about his college choices, just to shut him up and get him dispatched.
FYI, STTI---the tinfoil hat is interfering with reception. That or the pimple cream.
Almiranta...not wanting to sign up as a blogger but not anonymous either.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 20:18
Brian sez:
"they are 18 months into their business which they started from scratch."
... Started out from nothing - and now losing half a million a WEEK.
Pretty impressive.. I see NO WAY that they can overcome this. It hasn't taken off, and they areso far behind the eight ball there is just no way they can increase revenue by that amount. I mean - they are on or close to the bottom of every major market - the ad value isn't there. And they just don't have a lot of advertisers as it is.
Uh... these are the people that want to run the country?
I'm glad they demonstrated their incompetence on this pet project, instead.
Tom C.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 21:59
Perhaps Lien Maloney likes slave whores.
That's why he hasn't asked you to leave, bitch.
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 22:18
Yes, Air America has faced financial struggles along the way but no new startup that sticks around has an easy go of things in the beginning. In the whol escheme of things, they are 18 months into their business which they started from scratch. All partisan bickering aside, they are doing an admirable job working with what they have and are able to get. 69 (or however many) markets with admittably marginal talent in that span of time is decent.
Quit worrying that they will squash your precious, government backed right-wing audio hatred.
The reason this hasn't been picked up by the 'evil' and 'ignorant' MSM is that these reports are unconfirmed.
Now move along and attempt to destroy something else you hate with your free blog.
By Brian, at 4:43 PM
I guess 24 million dollars, and tons of publicity is your idea of starting from scratch.
I'd like to start a business with that kind of scratch.
Brett
By Anonymous, at 08 August, 2005 23:37
After a year of trolling the AAR Majority Report radio blog, I swore I would never post again, because being around such loathesome people was starting to have a negative effect on me.
However, I must admit that since this story broke, I've been jonesing to post some of the articles on their blog.
It would be greatly appreciated if someone would grab the baton from me.
Thanx
Brett
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 00:23
The FEC should fine AA for those contributions disguised as ads from unions and other lefty organizations. Unlike Right talk radio, Left talk radio just can't make it on it's own without huge cash infusions, which should be illegal under current campaign finance law.
The only hope the lefties have is the fairness doctrine. Dear God no! Save us from Manhattan dogma masqarading as balanced news.
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 00:25
In Portland, ME WLVP (AAR) goes from 3.0 to 1.0...yes, the election season is over so I'm sure the "other talk stations" dropped too...? Nope. WGAN and WLOB both gained.--Bob Nelson
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 04:23
The libs are up in arms here in my hometown about the lack of ScareAmerica. The constant whining is killing me.
Why doesn't someone explain free markets to them veeerrryyyy ssllllooowwwwllyyy.
Came over from Powerline, GREAT BLOG!!
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 04:52
EJ,
What f'ing hypocrisy. Every conservative I know constantly whines about the "liberal msm." I assume you also believe they should learn free markets and stop their whining.
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 07:29
This scandal brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Children are our future."
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 07:42
97 posts...its gotta be a record. The level of defense and silliness by the Err Amerika lovers really is quite funny. Keep it up, Brian! You're driving them nuts (although, those libs were unstable to begin with)!
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 09:23
Wow - a Right Wing Blog that allows comments - what a concept.
Much ado about nothing this is, like most right wing "outrages". Ignore the major failures of the Bush Administration while obsessing on most trivial things on the left.
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 09:23
Pointing a finger and stating "Thou hypocrite!" is not a good argument. Please try something on the merits.
--
I found this gem up above: "Quit worrying that they will squash your precious, government backed right-wing audio hatred."
Worry? Not a bit. I wish MORE people got to hear the particular lunacy of AAR. I can point to it and say "Yeah, that's what has become of the Democrat party. Pretty sad, eh?"
As for "government backed" what in the world are you talking about? Surely not funding. Conservative talk radio IS the counter-balance to the New York Times/Washington Post/ABCNBCCBSCNN. It does just fine on its own as a result. AAR is completely superfluous in that context--especially given that NPR has vastly better production values.
By eLarson, at 09 August, 2005 09:29
"The level of defense and silliness by the Err Amerika lovers really is quite funny." --
Well, these are the same people who were happy when Laura Ingraham got breast cancer, so what do you expect?
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 09:36
Breaking News
The Washington Redskins have decided to change their name to the Redneck Dopers. Their new mascot will be a Limbaugh looking stuffed animal, and his slogan will be "My friends...Feminazis".
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 10:20
"Well, these are the same people who were happy when Laura Ingraham got breast cancer, so what do you expect?"
We were more happy when we found out that Rush was a doper.
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 10:24
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By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 10:32
Every conservative I know constantly whines about the "liberal msm." I assume you also believe they should learn free markets and stop their whining.
You mean how conservatives went out and started their own media outlets (from Rush to NRA News to Blogs)? We DO believe in free markets, which is why we have a hearty chuckle every time new reports come about about the MSM's continued plummeting in both ratings and circulation.
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 11:16
"What f'ing hypocrisy. Every conservative I know constantly whines about the 'liberal msm.' I assume you also believe they should learn free markets and stop their whining."
I think their understanding of free markets is just fine, considering the rapidly shrinking audience for most TV news and newspapers.
So, is "Lien" an attempt to spell "Lyin'"? Or is it some sort of commentary on Brian's home mortgage?
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 11:32
It's going to be fun watching the lefties get their asses kicked in '06 and '08...Couldn't happen to a more miserable bunch of morons.
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 11:41
Al Franken Issues a Statement on the Air America Scandal:
"But the money will get to the kids sooner or later. And–I know I’m stepping in it again, but I’ll say it–what’s really more important? Getting these kids to camp right this very minute, or paying Randi so she can connect the dots? I mean these kids are like, BLACK, and it’s not like they’re not used to being poor."
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 11:52
Actually, I didn't see a mention of New Orleans being added to the line up. Population 2+ million.
By Anonymous, at 09 August, 2005 12:22
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index796.htm
By Anonymous, at 10 August, 2005 00:05
"It's going to be fun watching the lefties get their asses kicked in '06 and '08...Couldn't happen to a more miserable bunch of morons."
I hope not for this countries sake, we’re already starting to see what the tipped balance of power is doing to the GOP. Lies, deceit, abnormal amount of secrecy, not interested in the American opinion, teaching of intelligent design in schools, scary stuff and very reminiscent to this other dark party we once new. Like AAR or not it’s a voice we need, shutting these people up is not the answer, we need a lot of opinions to make Democracy work. One sided stories lead to dictatorship. On a personal note I really don’t understand how you can support this current administration, the world is a more dangerous place and the US is almost broke, the only ones making out are GB ‘s friends.
By Anonymous, at 10 August, 2005 07:18
I just love it when the tin-foil hat crowd try to defend their kind. They offer no facts, just simple tired rhetoric. Conservatives maynot always be correct, but decisions based on fact win every time against pure rumor.
By Anonymous, at 11 August, 2005 09:23
My inside sources tell me that Franken and Rhodes are also about to be busted for doctor shopping!
developing....
By Shipping / Receiving, at 11 August, 2005 11:32
Air America is doing just fine.
They are on 69 stations nationwide.
And will be on over a 100 by the end of the year.
The network has gotten a LOT better in recent months. It just takes time. Stop being so threatened by one little leftist radio network.
Conservatives have Faux News. Let the left have Air America.
Though Air America should have some conservative hosts to tap into the huge conservative radio market.
The only thing is all the conservatives should be openly gay.
Just to piss off conservatives. Cos we know how much the right loves gay people!
LOL!
Go Air America!
By Anonymous, at 12 August, 2005 01:17
The defensiveness on this site is pretty intense. Apparently, there was a problem with this company making payroll on time. Most seem to believe that the company also lied about the real reason payroll was late.
I think that it is good that you keep track of the truth, but I hope that you work to censor your own prejudices as best you can from your judgements. I do not know the solvency of issues of Air America, but I do know that most posts I have read here sound childish and partisan. I know we use humor to make points and to defend ourselves.
But on the Right, I think we should look more to what Jesus would say about our jibes and jokes. Are we no better than what we condemn?
By Anonymous, at 15 August, 2005 05:56
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