The Radio Equalizer: Brian Maloney

22 August 2005

NEW YORK POST: THE MONEY PIT

Gathering Steam

NY Post, Fortune, Others Covering Scandal


As you may know, Michelle Malkin and I have continued to plug away at Air America scandal developments, including our New York Post op-ed, which ran today:

MONEY PIT

By BRIAN MALONEY & MICHELLE MALKIN

AIR America, the much-hyped liberal media venture that was supposed to revolutionize talk radio, is "solvent and apparently stable".

So claim the gullible cheerleaders at The New York Times, who made that unsubstantiated assertion in a recent glowing profile of Air America host Janeane Garofalo.

But behind the fawning headlines and celebrity kiss-ups is a tale of astounding financial and legal chaos.

The city Department of Investigation and state Attorney General Eliot Spitzer continue to conduct separate probes into a dubious loan scheme involving Air America and the Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club.

An estimated $875,000 of the charity's funds have disappeared. Evan Montvel-Cohen, who served as both chief of Air America and director of development at Gloria Wise, reportedly steered the funds to himself (for claimed medical expenses) and Air America (for operations).

Network officials are pinning all the blame on him, and are reportedly pressuring the inner-city charity to back up their story.

But the charity scam is just the tip of the iceberg.

Read the rest here.


Meanwhile
, Fortune Magazine covers some of the other angles, referencing "conservative bloggers" without naming anyone in particular. Who on earth could they be referring to?

Here's a sample:


It was a bizarre story, but the new management’s public response is proving to be even stranger.

Following word of the investigations (Eliot Spitzer’s state gumshoes have since joined in), Air America, whose CEO is now former record executive Danny Goldberg, retreated into opaque legalism.

An official statement in late July explained that a new entity now controls Air America and that it "had absolutely no involvement" with the Boys & Girls Club.

That was technically true, but it left out the fact that the new entity consisted of the same asset—Air America—and many of the same investors, including heavyweights such as RealNetwork’s Rob Glaser.


In other words, the new entity looked suspiciously like the old entity. By August, Air America had back-pedaled. A new statement reiterated that "the current owners of Air America radio have no obligation" for the loans.

But, it went on, "we agreed months ago to fully compensate the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club. …"
Since then, Air America says, it has begun repaying the debt. The network’s strange behavior has been fodder for conservative bloggers. And a second dispute is now stoking their wrath.

This suit began when Air America—er, its prior ownership entity—sued MultiCultural Radio Broadcasting, a station owner, for kicking it off the air in two cities in April 2004 because the network hadn’t paid its bills. MultiCultural won a $255,000 judgment.


Not our problem, says Air America’s lawyer Michael Schlesinger of Latham & Watkins.

He argues that the current owners bought only the assets of Air America’s original owner and left the debts behind.
It’s "a completely new group of ownership," he says. Hogwash, says Randy Mastro of Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, who represents MultiCultural: "Air America engaged in the oldest trick in the book. They tried to reorganize themselves to avoid paying their debts."


Even Italian bloggers are starting to notice our Air America scandal coverage.

Most of the radio trade publications are continuing an Air America scandal coverage blackout, for which the network is probably thrilled. But All Access, a major online site covering radio and the recording industry, had this today, from reporter Perry M Simon:


The reporting by "RADIO EQUALIZER" blogger BRIAN MALONEY and conservative columnist MICHELLE MALKIN, most recently in a four part series, on AIR AMERICA RADIO's financial dealings has been summarized in a column by MALONEY and MALKIN in MONDAY's NEW YORK POST.

The column recounts the GLORIA WISE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB loan controversy, MULTICULTURAL RADIO's lawsuits against the network, and LIZZ WINSTEAD's suit seeking back pay and interest after her firing, as well as the efforts by original investors SHELDON and ANITA DROBNY to start a new entity to acquire small stations to affiliate with the network.


More updates shortly.

Scandal graphic by Darleen Click. Frankenspeak by Agent Tim Online.

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51 Comments:

  • Brian:

    Where’s the BEEF.

    I just read your Op-Ed piece in the New York Post. This is just the same-O, same-O that you have been regurgitating on your Blog here for the past 4-5 weeks.

    As I’ve said before if you can repeat something enough times pretty soon you’ll start to believe it.

    I found it curious that you didn’t BASH Al Franken in the POST piece, in fact you didn’t even mention his name. . . how disappointing was that for you?

    Maybe a better question might be why didn’t you mention his name? You sure do on your Blog?

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 22 August, 2005 20:45  

  • In situations like this where the big boys try to protect their friends by ignoring a story, a story that they would be all over if it involved anyone else, you simply have to be persistent.

    Step by step. Inch by inch. Story by story. Before you know it, the whole continent starts paying attention. I look forward to each installment. Good work.

    By Blogger al fin, at 22 August, 2005 22:05  

  • "As I’ve said before if you can repeat something enough times pretty soon you’ll start to believe it."

    Actually, this is exactly what those in the elite leftist media do to demonize their enemies and is what "mick" himself is attempting to do to you Brian. We talked about it on our radio show Pundit Review with you last night which is that you can guage your progress by the vacuous and vitriolic ad hominem attacks of your critics. You and Michelle are making tremendous progress on this major scandal and are emblematic of the independent New Media citizen journalist doing the hard nosed investgative work that the so called MSM "trained" journalists are supposed to be doing. Franken and the rest of his lefty cronies who are guilty of corporate crimes will end up like Rather, Kerry, Durbin,Newsweek, et al. victims of what Hugh Hewitt refers to as the "blog storm." Keep up the great work until Franken ends up in jail.

    Gregg Co-Host(Pundit Review Radio)

    By Blogger GreggJ, at 22 August, 2005 22:18  

  • Step by step. Inch by inch. Story by story. Before you know it, the whole continent starts paying attention.

    Ignoring the story did NOT work out well for Dan Batheringidiot and the CBS Kinkos crowd.

    Dan ended up taking "early retirement".

    And all he did was get fooled.

    When Al the Frankenberry's story gets told, he might be doing more than taking "early retirement".

    Hell, if he knew about the Gloria Wise deal a year ago, and had anything to do with covering up misappropriation of government funds, that would make Martha Stewart's "insider" activity look like jaywalking!

    Big Al just might end up doing the pumpkin-suit perp walk!

    ... Eliot Spitzer is ON THE CASE!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 22 August, 2005 23:06  

  • Let me get this straight. You called Air America a "money pit" in the NEW YORK FREAKIN' POST?

    That's outstanding. Next up: Brian calls Hillary Clinton a harlot while getting blown at the G Lounge on 19th.

    By Blogger Sven, at 22 August, 2005 23:27  

  • Tom C said: Hell, if he knew about the Gloria Wise deal a year ago, and had anything to do with covering up misappropriation of government funds, that would make Martha Stewart's "insider" activity look like jaywalking!

    IF. . .

    That’s all you got!!!

    Mick

    By Blogger mick, at 22 August, 2005 23:30  

  • That’s all you got!!!

    Actually, we have a lot more than we had a week ago - and a week ago we had a lot more than we had a month ago.

    We're getting MORE every day!

    I can't wait to see what's coming up NEXT!


    Hey, I've got some great theme music for the Al Frankenberry show:

    "... That's the sound of the men... working on the CHAIN GANG!"

    By Blogger Tom C, at 22 August, 2005 23:48  

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    By Blogger BRUISER, at 23 August, 2005 00:06  

  • KARL ROVE

    ha!

    You WISH Karl Rove!

    For MONTHS we have been listening to the libs get woodies fantasizing about The GENIUS Karl Rove doing the "frogwalk".

    When there was NO evidence of any wrongdoing, and the special prosecutor said Rove wasn't a target!

    Now we have Spitzer looking at illegal transactions involving Hairball America, the NYC DOI has already demanded Scam America repay the money. the thing STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN and the libs are reduced to sitting cross-legged in a rubber room, wearing an "I love me" jacket and spitting all over themselves as they rave impeaching Bush and Karl Rove!

    How are they going to impeach Bush? Maybe in their own minds - like the pathetic "pretend" impeachment hearings they had in a borrowed Capitol room! ha ha ha.

    Meanwhile the "excuse room" for the Air Head America crew gets smaller and smaller.

    Hey, if you're buddies with Al Frankenberry or any of the other lying liars at Err America, I know a good present you can buy them:

    Soap on a Rope!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 00:18  

  • Off topic Brian but checked your post on Malkin. There a couple of pro American Irish blogs. One is the freedom institue at http://www.freedominst.org/blog.html

    Its a classic 19th century approach

    The other is the wikipedian brilliance of mark humprhys at
    http://www.markhumphrys.com/

    There is of course are own humble website which you may find likes America a little bit also at
    http://neocenturions.blogspot.com/

    By Blogger ZoonPoliticon, at 23 August, 2005 00:34  

  • OT on this post, but on your links post at Michelle Malkin's you left out the link to the conservative Italian blog.

    Re: Irish blogs you should definitely check out Slugger O'Toole--Northern Ireland but a terrific group blog.

    By Blogger Pat, at 23 August, 2005 00:52  

  • There has to be a way for Brian to delete comment spam...

    That said - Brian has really been chipping away at this. Thank goodness.

    By Blogger Josef, at 23 August, 2005 01:05  

  • That's a spicy meatball.

    Thanks alot for pushin my a blog.

    Guido S.

    By Blogger WHT, at 23 August, 2005 01:39  

  • This just goes to show you...the Sailor is ALWAYS right.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 23 August, 2005 05:58  

  • This is the type of situation that can put a blogger, or any news provider, on the map. Take a significant story (stealing from hungry kids) that nobody else has the courage to cover, and stick with it day in and day out adding to the evidence as it comes in.

    Limbaugh did the same thing when he was getting started. His POV was so different from the MSM that his show drew millions of people who were sick of the same old drivel from the MSM.

    The problem with AAR is that it is not a new voice at all, merely just another voice in the same big choir that is slightly out of tune. There is no compelling reason for a listener to choose AAR, when he can easily get the same drivel from the mainstream. The mainstream is even funnier than Franken, without trying to be.

    By Blogger al fin, at 23 August, 2005 08:27  

  • Surprise, surprise. Maloney and Malkin get space in the slimey NY Post!!

    This beat-up is all Maloney has got to curry favor with all the other liars and smear-artists; his wet-dream of joining the Murdoch idealogues.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 23 August, 2005 09:18  

  • For the record, the Washington Post still has not mentioned a single word about this story in the pages of the newspaper.

    By Blogger Christopher Fotos, at 23 August, 2005 10:51  

  • Hey Philm, you want to take your buddy "Bruiser" back to the home now?

    He will be more comfortable with the rest of the Kos and DU crowd
    - it means a lot for him to be surrounded by familiar faces.

    And, isn't today is green-jello day? You know what he's like if he misses that.

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 10:54  

  • Brian:
    I read your piece in the Post. I found it really amusing but also fascinating. I can't tell if you are a fairly advanced bullshit artist or a total idiot. I suspect it is a little of both.

    You genuinely have no idea how wrong you are and it is gut busting to see how you piece these things together.
    At the same time, from my perspective, it is a wonderful exercise in how conspiracy theories are built.

    With that said, I have to ask.. are you twelve? Or am I merely misreading a reflection of your thought process.

    Finally, kudos on Time magazine's comparing you to Rush Limbaugh. I'd love to read that piece- how about a link? Also, why can't you find a job in radio when there are literally thousands of opportunities for conservative talkers in this country?

    Warm regards,
    Sam Seder
    The Majority Report
    Air America rADIO

    By Blogger MajorReport, at 23 August, 2005 11:01  

  • for those who missed the show it's archived at http://www.punditreview.com

    By Blogger raccoonradio, at 23 August, 2005 11:29  

  • It's amazing to see how vile the liberal comments tend to be, not to mention lacking in facts. With nothing to disagree about they simply attack you.

    Nice to talk to you on Pundit Review radio Sunday, I called in.

    I continue to link to your stories from my blog.

    Keep up the good work, this story has legs.

    By Blogger SactoDan, at 23 August, 2005 11:43  

  • The Majority Report

    I always wondered why that show is called "The Majority Report". The only president in DECADES to actually get a majority in a presidential election was George Dubya Bush.

    And, last I checked, the dumb-o-crats were a MINORITY in both houses of congress, and how are they doing with governorships and state legislatures? Losing ground every election.

    Last I checked, the dim-o-craps were calling an election a "victory" if they only lost by 4 points. But, that's is still a MINORITY.

    So, just what is it you are a majority of? Deluded idiots?

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 11:43  

  • I was just listening to the show again, online. When it first aired I was up in Burlington, VT, and it was tough listening because there's a station in Montreal at AM 690 that was walking all over WRKO (680)! I did hear SactoDan's comments. By the way I'm pretty sure the called "Joe from Peabody" is "Joe Bag" (aka Edward
    J. Tracchia) who does a conservative talk show Sat. afternoons on tiny WNSH in Beverly, MA. I went to school with him :)

    By Blogger raccoonradio, at 23 August, 2005 12:34  

  • Hilarious! Sam Seder actualy responded. For Sam to talk about facts is tremendous craic.And do you guys get the name of his show with the "actress" Garofalo.. the majority ..cos they won in 2000.... 5 YEARS AGO. However one would think after 2004 and the loss by practically the entire population of my humble nation that they would change it. Nope, yknow why because the fascist republicans STOLE the 2004 election.They did such a good job that they won by millions. Thats all on your show Sam.

    By Blogger ZoonPoliticon, at 23 August, 2005 13:00  

  • the majority ..cos they won in 2000.... 5 YEARS AGO

    What majority 5 years ago? They didn't have a majority then, either!

    The only guy in recent memory to have *A MAJORITY* was Dubya in 2004! AFTER Hairball America was formed!

    THANK YOU HOLLYWOOD!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 13:30  

  • I suppose I just don't get all the hullabaloo...

    The guy who set the whole thing up (and NO ONE has propped any evidence to the contrary), evan cohen (? do I have his name right?), was forced out...the deal that was made fell apart, but Air America is trying to pay the money back.

    So - if anything illegal was done in the setup (funds being diverted) - it would be EC and Progress Media we want, right?

    If anything was done after the 'transfer of power', we want those who are in charge of the money after that, right?

    How is this indicative of something wrong being done by Al Franken? How is this indicative of 'Air America' as a radio platform being amoral?

    Brian continues to post the same information over and over again, yet rather than actually uncovering the facts, he makes innuendo. Rather than exposing any more facts, he celebrates the same regurgitation getting New York Post print as an op-ed...

    All of this seems to be caused by people's hatred that Air America and Al Franken exist. How sad for all of you.

    Rather than trying to make nonexistent connections, why not point the fingers at those we know are responsible? Why not focus energy on where the investigation points now, rather than where you hope it will?

    Why not, after-all, devote more of this time and energy getting money for the Boys and Girls club you claim to be championing?

    By Blogger TJ, at 23 August, 2005 14:21  

  • The guy who set the whole thing up (and NO ONE has propped any evidence to the contrary), evan cohen

    There's LOTS of evidence to the contrary.

    Scare America is desperately trying to set up Cohen as the fall guy. But in the larger picture Cohen is just a cog in a bigger wheel.

    The Dobrnys, the founders of Hairball America, originally formed a company called AnShell in 2003 or so to launch the thing. AnShell went broke in a hurry, and the Dobrnys abandoned the old company, took on new investors and stiffed the creditors of AnShell. They called the new company Progress Media.

    Then a year later Progress got into trouble (see a pattern, here?) with one of its big carriers, Multicultural. Air Head America issued a press release at that time that personally attacked Arthur Liu, the head of Multicultural. From Airball America's shameful press release:

    "This Liu-ser was ripping off our boss Evan Cohen big time (he can't do that, that's our job). Evan found out about it and he stopped payment on a check to keep Liu-cifer from ripping him off even more."

    Charming, no? (Anyway, see a pattern here?)

    So, according to Wingball America, Cohen was a hero right up to the time that Err America booted him out (Hey, wait a minute - you mean Cohen had a boss? He wasn't acting on his own?)

    Turns out that Multicultural wasn't the only party not paid by Nutball America - they were lined up around the block. So the Hot Air America owners supposedly did a "forensic accounting", to get a handle on the mess and found, (by all indications) the Gloria Wise loans, and a boatload of other liabilities. So, lead by the Dobnrys, Scam America formed a new company to stiff the creditors.

    (See a pattern here?)

    Al Frankenberry was involved in Ham Sandwich America at that time - and his million-dollar contract was at stake. It is pretty inconceivable that he would not be aware of the "forensic accounting" and the investors' meetings that took place around that time. I mean, the guy pretends to understand complex (and mostly imagined) Haliburton transactions, but hasn't a shred of curiosity when his own paychecks stop?

    Al made a rambling (and absurd) statement about a week or two ago that he "just found out" about the Gloria Wise thing. Since then he has been VERY CAREFUL not to say anything about the scandal because it occurred to him that he just uttered a whopper of a lie.

    Al Frankenuggie - a lying liar?

    Al Frankenberry has stated, and Air Nuts America has reiterated, that the "current" Pubic Hair America has NOTHING TO DO WITH the "old" Armpit Hair America.

    A major creditor from the Progress days - our friends Multicultural - disagree and have filed an aggressive and well-argued lawsuit claiming otherwise. You could read Multicultural's filing on this - it is on the blogg somewhere - it diagrams how the new boss at Airhose America is the same as the old boss.

    I think Multicultural will prevail.

    Anyway, the NYC Department of Investigation is looking at the Gloria Wise loan, and has requested that Left Nut America repay those loans in full. (The lefty apologists didn't tell you that? Funny, they keep forgetting that part.) So, the lefties claims that this is just a fantasy dreamed up by the right falls down in a hurry.

    This is a growing investigation, with criminal overtones.

    Put in the context of other problems Err America is having - delayed payroll, refusal to pay a court ordered judgement, employee lawsuits, combined with a failing business plan, Air America does not look like a good place to be right now.

    But, that's been the pattern there.

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 15:07  

  • "Al Frankenberry was involved in Ham Sandwich America at that time - and his million-dollar contract was at stake. It is pretty inconceivable that he would not be aware of the "forensic accounting" and the investors' meetings that took place around that time"

    so, "it is pretty inconceivable" is your best evidence that Al Franken did something illegal?

    Hey, for everyone that did anything illegal - charge them, try them, convict them, punish them...but it seems quite a stretch to lump AF in yet.

    Get me evidence, and I'll be right there with you!

    Oh - wait, there's an actual investigator looking into this - that's right - so all responsible are very likely going be held responsible.

    The right thing is already being done...

    So - oh, I get it - the whole point of this effort is to A) help brian forget his failed Seattle Radio efforts and B) get Brian money (he's gonna make all this into a book, whatever the outcome) because he has no other job and C) try to bring down Air America regardless of the facts, because, after-all, they are growing in number of markets and every station that switched to an AA format immediately saw an improvement of ratings.

    Silly me - why didn't I see it?

    By Blogger TJ, at 23 August, 2005 15:31  

  • Get me evidence, and I'll be right there with you!

    You mean the Karl Rove thing?

    Evidence is going to be moot pretty soon, according to my ledger Airball America owes:

    1. About a million and a half to Multicultural for the slam-dunk lawsuit.

    2. An outstanding court judgement of about $200-300k to Multicultural.

    3. The 875K due to Gloria Wisenheimer.

    4. Lizzzz's bogus, but to prevail, lawsuit of 300K or so..

    So, that's about 2 million bucks I can put my finger on right away.

    Remember a few weeks ago when Nutcase America needed a 2 million "infusion of cash" just to keep operating? How much of THAT do you think is left?

    And so they need ANOTHER 2 mill just to pay off old debts?

    Even George Soros wouldn't write a check for 2 mill and throw it into this pisshole.

    And when the current cash reserve is spent - WHERE are the additional funds going to come from?

    Looking at the fact that so far EVERY SINGLE INVESTOR with Anita and Shelly's little scam has gotten stiffed - what fool still has money to throw away at this?

    You goign ahead and protest all day long. I'm going to make some popcorn and sit back and watch this thing topple over.

    (And trouble for AL? Think "signing bonus". Mull that over for a bit. And ask yourself what little Boys and Girls club ponied up for Al's? "... it was used for operating expenses, as I imagine it did.")

    Hmmmm.... Robbing Peter ....to pay AL? Funny how he seems to understand THAT transaction.

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 16:41  

  • LIKE RELIGION IN YOUR GOVERNMENT? MOVE TO IRAN

    I guess I must have missed the government mandated church attendance memo.

    By Blogger Scott, at 23 August, 2005 17:20  

  • I guess I must have missed the government mandated church attendance memo.

    Did you notice how Bruiser put together the ENTIRE Hot Air America program script for the last year ot so?

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 17:25  

  • Tom C, I concur with you completely. I was being sarcastic. I presume they named the show the majority report because of the close 2000 election. If it was named after 2004, then they are beyond deranged

    By Blogger ZoonPoliticon, at 23 August, 2005 18:19  

  • Tom C, I concur with you completely. I was being sarcastic. I presume they named the show the majority report because of the close 2000 election.

    Yes, I picked that up - but even using THEIR NUMBERS they don't even come out with a majority - the Goremeister only took a little more than 48% of the vote. Nader prevented either candidate from getting a majority.

    So, they are a majority of nothing, as far as I can tell.

    Never were, and never will be.

    Speaking of numbers, check my math on Scam America's debts - it's actually closer to three million.

    Plus interest!

    I think the fat lady is clearing her throat!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 23 August, 2005 18:45  

  • Hey Philm, you want to take your buddy "Bruiser" back to the home now?

    He will be more comfortable with the rest of the Kos and DU crowd
    - it means a lot for him to be surrounded by familiar faces.

    And, isn't today is green-jello day? You know what he's like if he misses that.


    Confronted with the truth, the smear-artist instintively reverts to type.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 23 August, 2005 18:51  

  • "Surprise, surprise. Maloney and Malkin get space in the slimey NY Post!!

    This beat-up is all Maloney has got to curry favor with all the other liars and smear-artists; his wet-dream of joining the Murdoch idealogues."

    By PhilM, at 9:18 AM

    "Confronted with the truth, the smear-artist instintively reverts to type."

    PhilM said at 6:51 PM

    Speaking of real smear-artists ...

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 23 August, 2005 19:05  

  • Purple Raider:

    So you're saying that calling out someone for doing a idealogically-driven hatchet-job is itself a smear? OK. I'll be prepared to give you that... but only if you also hold Maloney, Malkin, NYP, etc, to your standard. Come on! Let's hear your denounciations of these idealogues.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 23 August, 2005 21:13  

  • PhilM:

    If you can precisely detail how Mr. Maloney has lied, I will denounce him.

    All you have done so far is name-calling and trying to shoot the messenger.

    Come up with facts, sir, not more name calling.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 23 August, 2005 23:47  

  • TJ and PhilM happen to prove the simple fact that Brian is being effective with his communication.

    They've become stark raving mad (with both of them making smears at Brian as their first line of defense).

    TJ and PhilM, you have just been keelhauled.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 24 August, 2005 02:37  

  • Purple Raider:

    No matter. I didn't expect you to be honest enough to come clean. I will continue to call out Maloney and Malkin as they continue their smear campaign. As for facts, again why don't you hold Maloney to this standard of yours. Facts are seemingly irrelevant to Maloney when it comes to accusing Franken of wrong-doing.

    Sailor Republic:

    Maloney is effective in his communication? Stark raving mad? HA! Maloney and Malkin are getting increasingly desperate to push this hatchet job into the MSM but the MSM is not picking it up because they know this is just idealogically-driven slime.

    Keelhauled? Wishful thinking. Labelling me a smear-artist for calling Maloney out as a purveyor of lies and innuendo is a specious argument (you'll probably need to look that up) and demonstrates how desperate you and Maloney are to make a case.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 24 August, 2005 08:29  

  • PhilM:

    Again, come up with some facts.

    Proof that Mr. Maloney is lying.

    Because you haven't shown me crap yet.

    By Blogger Purple Raider, at 24 August, 2005 12:26  

  • PhilM: I call a spade a spade. You are desperate, and have to resort to smear tactics in order to make yourself feel better. I have no need to provide evidence for it, because you've already done it for me.

    Secondly, by starting out with smear tactics, you have essentially tipped your had to everyone and have shown us that you have nothing.

    You have been keelhauled.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 24 August, 2005 14:23  

  • Purple Raider:

    I guess your having trouble with the way this works.
    1. Maloney accuses AAR and Franken for the wrong-doing of Cohen.
    2. Maloney needs to present facts to support his accusations against AAR and Franken.
    3. Maloney has not presented facts to support his accusations.
    4. Yet Maloney smears Franken and AAR with smears of stealing money from kids.

    That's intellectual dishonesty
    It's not up to me to show you jack. It's up to Maloney to prove his accusations.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 24 August, 2005 20:54  

  • Sailor Republica:

    So I guess you're not that good with arguments based on reason? Oh well, I didn't really have high expectations of you. Let's try again. (It's pretty simple but I'm only going to explain this to you once so please pay attention) You think I'm a smear-artist for calling out Maloney and Malkin for smearing AAR and Franken with accusations of stealing money from kids. Then by that logic you are also a smear-artist for calling me a smear-artist. Do you get that?

    It seems you've keelhauled yourself, sailor boy.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 24 August, 2005 21:29  

  • Making an observation about someone doing a particular act, PhilM, does not make me the same as that person.

    Therefore, YOU are a smear-artist by the actions that you have taken. *I*, being always right, made the observation and called you on the carpet.

    Checkmate. You have been keelhauled. Now go make me a sandwich.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 24 August, 2005 22:21  

  • Sailor Boy:

    How old are you? 12? So this is the standard of debate from Maloney's cheer squad. I know education in this country has fallen apart from "No Child Left Behind" and the attempts to replace science with creationism. But who knew the effects would manifest so quickly. You better head home now, sailor boob, Momma's calling.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 25 August, 2005 00:05  

  • PhilM,

    To continue making personal insults when it's obvious that ye have been defeated soundly doesn't help your cause much.

    The Argumentum Ad Hominem doesn't suit you, Phil. You may want to take up a different mantle. It'll help your chances of actually surviving a debate.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 25 August, 2005 06:11  

  • Sailor Boy:

    Oh so now you want to rejoin getting all concerned about ad hominem attacks? Your hypocrisy is mind-blowing. Why don't you hold Maloney to this standard? Or yourself for that matter?

    You know and I know that this is a hatchet job by Maloney to smear Franken and AAR. I call Maloney out on it and you come back with trite juvenile comments that you are always right then somehow you think you've won a debate?? Yeah right? Franken's picture is plastered all over Maloney's blog with the word scandal splashed all over his face because Maloney wants to smear Franken and AAR with the alleged wrong-doing of Cohen and Rosen. Explain what that is if it's not a dishonest ad hominem attack.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 25 August, 2005 07:50  

  • PhilM,

    In the case of this specific debate (the debate between you and me), the only person who has been using Ad Hom attacks is you. When someone calls you on the carpet for it, you get indignant and try to do end runs.

    You're probably a real nice guy, just that this issue has hit a nerve with you. And when someone gets in your way, I'd be pretty indignant too...just not indignant enough to throw insults around.

    As far as the debate between you and me, you lost hands down. As pertaining to the other info involving Maloney, Franken, and everything else, I'd recommend you take it up in e-mail with Maloney. Make sure it's nice language, though, you'll more than likely get a better response.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 25 August, 2005 14:43  

  • So you decided to slip past my question regarding Maloney's ad hominem attacks, hey sailor boy? No matter...you wouldn't be able to answer it truthfully and stay on Maloney's message.

    In the case of this specific debate (the debate between you and me), the only person who has been using Ad Hom attacks is you. When someone calls you on the carpet for it, you get indignant and try to do end runs.

    I guess you can't bothered to come up with any original arguments. But it is pretty amusing watching you steal mine though.

    You're probably a real nice guy, just that this issue has hit a nerve with you. And when someone gets in your way, I'd be pretty indignant too...just not indignant enough to throw insults around.


    So now your trying to kiss my ass? You can leave that for your Sunday school teacher, sailor boy. You just sit there thinking you're in my way. In the meantime, I'll get on with calling out you and Maloney and the rest of the ideologically blinded liars who are bent on destroying this country.

    As far as the debate between you and me, you lost hands down.

    If winning means avoiding questions, specious arguments, and childish nonsense... yeah sure... you win. Sometimes you've got to give the loser kids a break.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 25 August, 2005 20:43  

  • Actually, PhilM, I was trying to at least be somewhat concilatory...something you, apparently, do not know how to do.

    You keep harping on Maloney being the Ad-Hom guy. Seems he has the proof about Franken, and you don't. Not only to mention that you, calling him a smear-artist, destroy any credibility for any argument you put forth.

    And calling me Sailor Boy? How original. Just shows that you are impotent that you have to resort to personal name calling.

    You keep leaving yourself open, Phil. Not a good way of operating.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 26 August, 2005 04:25  

  • Keep up sailor boob. This thread is dead. You weren't being conciliatory. You were simply being childish. You say Maloney seems to have proof that Franken lied. First of all, where is it? Second, why aren't you asking where's it is? Do you go through life simply accepting the word of the likes of Maloney? This is how Maloney makes his living. By relying on people like you swallowing his BS without question.

    Concerning your question of why I claim Maloney is a liar and a smear-artist, well, I asked you a question several posts ago about the Franken photo on Maloney's site, a question which you have simply dodged. Answer this question.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 28 August, 2005 01:34  

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