The Radio Equalizer: Brian Maloney

29 December 2006

Saddam Hussein Execution, Iraq, Talk Radio

CLOSURE

Saddam's Execution Brings End To Brutal Era





*** Update below: HuffPo writer goes off deep end! ***

With Saddam Hussein's execution just minutes away, cable news networks have been well- positioned to capture the interest of Americans who ordinarily wouldn't be paying much attention to the news during a holiday week.

Update: it's over and was filmed! As of yet, no violence, only celebrations in Iraq. More here. FOX: Iraqi- Americans cheer execution

For talk radio, however, it's yet another squandered opportunity during evening hours when most are running syndicated reruns these days.

Meanwhile, executives for the major television networks were unsure as to how they should proceed with these fast- breaking developments, reports the New York Times.

At the FOX News Channel, Bill O'Reilly has been busy monitoring the situation tonight, while his foes at the Huffington Post are busy doing the same kind of hand- wringing we've seen so often from them since September 11.

Countering their sad attempts to minimize Saddam's reign of terror is the Boston Herald, which has published a particularly astute personal account of life under Hussein's tyranny:


Iraq native: ’It’s about time justice came down’

By O’Ryan Johnson
Friday, December 29, 2006 - Updated: 08:20 PM EST

Anwart Diab, 67, of Natick was born in Iraq and lived in Baghdad most of his life. In 1980 he had seen enough of Saddam Hussein’s beheadings, executions and mass graves. He worked as a government official in a state-run construction business from 1970 to 1980. He says he met then-Vice President Saddam Hussein on a few occasions and was still employed by the government during Saddam’s bloody power grab in 1979.

Diab left Iraq in 1980 to get a management degree in the United States. He opposes capital punishment, he says, but supports Hussein’s execution.

“My feeling is that it’s about time that justice came down. I personally am against capital punishment, but there is an issue with ethnic cleansing, there’s mass graves, there’s persecution on a grand scale. He’s not a common criminal.

“I was a government official from 1970 to 1980. Saddam was a strong vice president. Everybody feared him. In official meetings I had the chance to see him. He inspired awe. He inspired fear. He was the master manipulator. The master of the carrot and the stick. Those he could not buy, he would just execute.

“For instance a doctor from Tikrit, Raji al-Tikrit, he was executed by launching on him wild dogs. (Saddam) used to behead women that were accused of being prostitutes and leave their bodies without their heads in front of their families’ homes.

“Or somebody would get executed and he would demand the bullet back from his family. . . . He used to publicize that to inspire fear. You know (the novel) ‘1984.’ Iraq is a dramatization of ‘1984.’ He was the Big Brother.

“The insurgency. This has nothing to do with them. The Islamists, they don’t care about Saddam. They care about defeating the U.S. That’s the aim. Saddam is immaterial.

“The second point is there’s a vast silent majority in Iraq. The silent majority, the vast majority of the silent majority, supports the execution. (Carrying this) out . . . gives (credibility) to the government. Saddam, let’s not forget, his main source of power was he created an awe and respect and fear inside the people.

“The government in Iraq . . . will gain respect from the people through this execution. The government is looked on as a paper tiger. A government that’s a paper tiger goes nowhere. A real tiger is a source of respect.

“Besides again, the story is that this is thousands of murders. Not one or two. Every day there were mass graves.”


From O'Reilly's latest report:


It is about 4 a.m. in Iraq and Saddam's fate is now in the hands of his countrymen, as American officials have or soon will hand him over to the Iraqi Central Authority in Baghdad.

We learned while we were in Iraq a couple of weeks ago that Saddam was being held near Camp Victory on the outskirts of Baghdad by U.S. forces. But, since the Iraqi justice system has condemned Hussein to death, the Iraqis themselves will execute him. And that's good because the people Saddam brutalized should take care of him.

Now, some people are objecting to Saddam's execution. I myself oppose capital punishment, but I also understand that in cases involving crimes against humanity — like this one — a statement has to be made to the world.

There is no difference between Saddam and the Nazis who were executed at Nuremberg. Mass murder is mass murder. Evil people who destroy thousands of lives must be held to account.

Politically, the government of Iraq must show the world that it is viable and this is a step in that direction.


From the Huffington Post's Sheldon Drobny, an Air America co-founder:


Sheldon Drobny

December 29, 2006: A Typical Day In Baghdad


While the MSM is reporting about the insane plan to execute Saddam Hussein, there is not a whimper about the consequences of executing him and making him a martyr. Any sane U.S. President would order him to be tried as an international war criminal by the World Court. The problem is we have a mentally unstable President who should also be tried by the same court.

In the meantime, life (and death) goes on in Baghdad.

Below is an email I received today from an investgative reporter who is working with John Loftus and Nova M Radio to get the truth out to the American people that is not being fully reported by the MSM. It is yet another reason to support the disssemination of the truth by independent media. I have redacted some of the expletives.

Michael,

>>
>> Bagdhad is grim as hell. At the moment I'm scuttling
>> from dead body to
>> dead body. Everywhere, miserable f-ing people with
>> miserable f-ing
>> stories and no hope for the future.
>>
>> This city has gone from bad to worse. Christmas Day,
>> some Shiite kid
>> got shot down in his bakery by Sunni gunmen and we
>> turned up at the
>> scene a few minutes later; the blood was still wet
>> on the floor and
>> the body had been dragged out in the street. His
>> mother, little
>> brother and sister were mourning over the corpse. I
>> felt like a crap.
>> for taking photos, but I did it anyway because it
>> seemed important.



And from the HuffPo's Raed Jarrar:


Raed Jarrar

There Is No Victory in Saddam's Execution


Although news reports everywhere are contradicting themselves during this fluid situation, the truth is Saddam might be hanged very soon, within the next few hours or days.

This comes at a time when the Bush project is collapsing in Iraq. On the American side, the number of U.S. troops killed will reach to 3000 in the next few days.
On the Iraqi side, new attempts to create a pro-occupation coalition in the Iraqi government (led by Hakim, Hashimi, and Talbani-Barazani) failed after Sistani rejected the idea and refused to give his blessings. At the same time, an anti-occupation coalition is emerging inside and outside the Iraqi government and will include everyone except the failed pro-occupation alliance.

Clearly, there are problems.

* At the same time that millions of Iraqis were and are still being killed, injured, and displaced because of the U.S. interventions;

* At the same time that the Iraqi social fabric is being destroyed and turned into fragments;

* At the same time that the state Iraq is being literally "wiped off the map" and cut apart;


And here, the unhinged-athon continues at Arianna's Fun House, with Russell Shaw jumping in as well.

Between the Iraqis and Americans alike, it doesn't appear the angry left is going to gain much traction with this line of "reasoning". But we're not surprised they're giving it a try anyway.

Meanwhile, it's too bad talk radio is in such a damaged state these days, otherwise it could join the cable networks in celebration of a major accomplishment: the elimination of one of the world's greatest- ever tyrants.


UPDATE: post- hanging, they're burning up over at the HuffPo! Get a load of this new one:


Martin Lewis

WELL HUNG! Saddam Hung To Prove Bush is BETTER Hung... (Than His Dad)

bush1.jpg (Photo of well-hung leader by www.wacotrib.com)

We Got Him!!!! Only $354 Billion & 3,000 US Military!
(I'd call that a Bargain. The best we've ever had...)

Some thanks are in order:

1) To George W. Bush. It only cost $354 billion (and counting) and the lives of 3,000 very expendable US military to enable the President to demonstrate to his dad that he has a bigger Dick. Or is one...

Isn't it ironic - don'tcha think? Saddam hung so that Dubya can prove that he's BETTER hung...

2) To George H.W. & Barbara Bush for raising a child with such wonderful values.

3) To Dick Cheney. If it wasn't for his remorse about his part in the "failure" in 1991 to kill off Saddam (one of the most-cherished allies of the Reagan-Bush administrations) - he might not have had his "fever" to expend thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of American tax-payers' dollars getting Saddam this time around.

Meanwhile, here's a dose of sanity from Pirate's Cove. And many updates, including the president's statement, from Kathryn Jean Lopez and the rest of the team at NRO Online.

CNN notes that spectators were cheering and dancing:


Rubaie said the execution was videotaped and photographed extensively from the time Hussein was transferred from U.S. to Iraqi custody until he was dead.

Many of those who witnessed the execution celebrated in the aftermath.

"Saddam's body is in front me," said an official in the prime minister's office when CNN telephoned. "It's over."

In the background, Shiite chanting could be heard. When asked about the chanting, the official said, "These are employees of the prime minister's office and government chanting in celebration." (Watch what Hussein's death could mean in Iraq Video)

He said that celebrations broke out after Hussein was dead, and that there was "dancing around the body."

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki did not attend the execution, according to an adviser to the prime minister who was interviewed on state television.


Saddam RIP: David A Lunde, Saddam photo: AP, Hanged: FOX, Saddam execution scene: Drudge, Noose: AP

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53 Comments:

  • Maloney, obviously your pussy chickenhawkish ass can not take any part of this victory. Remember it was the American Soldier and only the American Soldier that took down Saddam. You, like 99% of the American people sat on the sidelines during this time in history. At Fort Bragg last year, President Bush asked the American people to sacrifice during this war, Ask yourself what have you done?

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 29 December, 2006 23:21  

  • Dear Iraq War Veteran,
    In all due respect, you're wrong.

    Sincerely,
    An American Citizen

    By Blogger Carl, at 30 December, 2006 00:50  

  • I second that,

    Maloney and the rest of the 101st Keyboarding Brigade did a fine job in humping the war and bringing down Saddam. They should be commended for their sacrifice. We salute you Maloney and the rest of the pasty pudges for your service.

    P.S.
    Looks like Michelle Malkin is throwing Maloney some crumbs this way tonight. We can expect some nonregulars infesting the board.

    By Blogger Elmonica, at 30 December, 2006 01:03  

  • "...chickenhawkish..."

    You see, if you are a conservative who hasn't served in the Armed Forces, liberals feel that you're not allowed or entitled to talk about the war in Iraq; their weapon of choice is often to call you a "chickenhawk".

    By Blogger Leshaun Fossett, at 30 December, 2006 02:32  

  • I wonder how much "Mr. Diab" was paid for his heartrending tale of woe?

    No, no...don't let me disrupt the festivities!

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 30 December, 2006 02:36  

  • Iraq War Veteran, you are obviously not one. Go back to washing the deck of your ship, or whatever peon job you do.

    By Blogger Horse, at 30 December, 2006 02:56  

  • It's very important to remember that high German officials were charged at Nuremberg with one specific crime and it wasn't genocide.

    The Germans were charged and hung for one crime and one crime only: "PLANNING AND WAGING AN AGGRESSIVE WAR". Full stop.

    Over to you.

    By Blogger Jim, at 30 December, 2006 02:58  

  • Hmmm. Food for thought....

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 30 December, 2006 07:50  

  • Jim,

    There were four counts in the Nuremberg trials, 1, Conspiracy to wage aggressive war, 2, waging aggressive war, 3, war crimes, and 4, crimes against humanity. Those convicted on only counts 1 and/or 2 (aggressive war related) were not executed.

    By Blogger Jimmitude, at 30 December, 2006 09:28  

  • I work nights at a post office and thankfully WTKK 96.9 in Boston picked up 3 hours of coverage via CNN. Other stations in town had sports committments (WRKO--Celtics, WBZ--
    Bruins, though they did go to Saddam
    talk at 11:35 pm). The break room in
    my P.O. has one TV which is always on CNN Headline News. Outside of an 11 pm
    brief report about Saddam and the
    "crawl", they offered pertinent
    stuff like Nancy Grace talking about
    Scott Peterson, and "Showbiz Tonight"...

    By Blogger raccoonradio, at 30 December, 2006 09:50  

  • Horse....I've done it before, I'll ask you. Would you like to see a copy of my DD214 or my ERB (enlisted records brief...formally known as the 2A and 2-1). I can email them to you, but when you do see them, I'll accept only a public apology on this website. Deal? Then finally I will expect you to treat my with respect and I will continue to treat you like a pussy, or just a coward like Maloney

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 30 December, 2006 10:38  

  • Leshaun Fossett said...
    "...chickenhawkish..."

    "You see, if you are a conservative who hasn't served in the Armed Forces, liberals feel that you're not allowed or entitled to talk about the war in Iraq; their weapon of choice is often to call you a "chickenhawk".

    Your incorrect Fossett, I feel anybody who supports this war in Iraq and chooses to silently protest it by choosing not to volunteer and serve and who is between the age of 18-42 is a chickenhawk, that means republican/democrat/conservative/liberal. If your not in a wheel chair or have some other type of disability (besides a wart on your ass) then go down to you local recruiter and truly love our Country. Ask yourself if you would die for it like the American Servicemen and Women would? If not, just sit on the sidelines and shut up. Goddamn Cowards!

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 30 December, 2006 10:45  

  • From Elmonica:

    We can expect some nonregulars infesting the board.


    You liberals really do have some control issues, don't you?

    Reminds me of Aunt Pittipat from Gone With the Wind: Yankees, in Georgia!

    By Blogger Missouri Show Me, at 30 December, 2006 11:14  

  • Iraq War Veteran -

    I served 23 years in the AF and AF Reserve. Do I have a right to voice my opinion in your little world because I'm retired, or do I need to go re-enlist... not that they'll take me, I'm too old.

    How about my father? A WW2 vet - can he voice his opinion, or does he have to go enlist again at 87? My mother's 89, can barely walk - think she could make it through basic?

    Oh, wait - you've age-limited your restrictions on freedom of speech. How kind of you to do so!

    IWV - I find your expressed desire to censor the speech of others if their actions don't match YOUR requirements to be fully in keeping with the enforced silencing of dissent in the good ol' USSR. You'd have fit right in.

    By Blogger Jerry, at 30 December, 2006 11:25  

  • "I served 23 years in the AF and AF Reserve. Do I have a right to voice my opinion in your little world because I'm retired, or do I need to go re-enlist... not that they'll take me, I'm too old."

    Jerry, First, I thank you for your service to our Country! I respect and commend every veteran thats ever thought to defend our country with their actions. Now, in your case, you have served so everything I have said obviously is not pointed in your direction. You and your family own a part of this country since you've fought for it. You deserve it!

    "How about my father? A WW2 vet - can he voice his opinion, or does he have to go enlist again at 87? My mother's 89, can barely walk - think she could make it through basic?"

    Did you miss the part where I said 18-42? This is the age requirement for enlisting in the military. And again thank you and your father for both of your service to our Country.

    "Oh, wait - you've age-limited your restrictions on freedom of speech. How kind of you to do so!"

    Sure, everyone (liberals and conservatives) like to state their opinion on how to fight this War on Terror better and the Majority are within the age of 18-42 and never served. All I'm asking is, if you think we can fight this war any better, than help out.


    "IWV - I find your expressed desire to censor the speech of others if their actions don't match YOUR requirements to be fully in keeping with the enforced silencing of dissent in the good ol' USSR. You'd have fit right in."

    My desire is the same of President George W. Bush, he asked for sacrifice and I adhered to it, now lets see the other 99% of the Country do their part.

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 30 December, 2006 12:47  

  • This execution is just medieval. Welcome to the dark ages, everyone! The Christians have done it again!
    Faith-based barbarity rules!

    But why go only half-way? Why don't they put Hussein's head on a pike and mount it in front of the Whitehouse to thrill the locals?

    By Blogger metrodorus, at 30 December, 2006 13:00  

  • Oh, and the notion that this is "closure" is crazy. We're not engaging in some third-rate Sunday-supplement Oprah-style psychotherapy barfed up by the late-Twentieth-Century United States here in the death throes of its decadent collapse. This is savage, wide-scale violence. And this execution is most likely just the opening (or "aperture" to coin a pop-psychology term) of even more death and destruction.

    By Blogger metrodorus, at 30 December, 2006 13:19  

  • Iraq War Veteran is quite ignorant of how the "rules" work. The civilian actually supercedes the military, we don't serve you it is vice versa.

    Once someone uses "chickenhawk" they have dropped themselves from the debate, as it is ad hominem. It's utterly foolish to say only those who have served can have an opinion on the war - that isn't how freedom of speech works. And what about those of us who cannot serve because of medical issues (but still tried to enlist)? Can we only speak out against the war because we cannot serve?

    Iraq War Veteran, do you think people can't be against the war unless they served? I hope you do, or you're a hypocrite. It's all or none.

    By Blogger shawn, at 30 December, 2006 14:07  

  • "This execution is just medieval. Welcome to the dark ages, everyone! The Christians have done it again!
    Faith-based barbarity rules!"

    Muslims tried and executed him.

    And how is hanging "medieval"? It had been used in the West up until the middle of the last century - the Nazis and Japanese were executed in the same fashion.

    Oh, the Dark Ages (which is a phrase only used by the historically illiterate) weren't during the period considered medieval.

    Could you folks actually crack open a book and educate yourself before spouting your ignorance all over the internet?

    By Blogger shawn, at 30 December, 2006 14:10  

  • Iraq War veteran filed a lawsuit in federal court yesterday, asking that Saddam be spared because he has civil issues to attend to.. What a jerk.

    Ed Schultz was also asked if he viewed the gay cowboy movie "Bareback Mountain" Ed said he doesn't watch movies.. Hmmm, but a few moons later, when Flight 93 came out, Ed gushed and drooled all over himself how he was first in line..
    Why did Ed Lie about his movie viewing habits? Just be honest and state he doesn't enjoy Gay Cowboy Movies..

    By Blogger dennis_kookinich, at 30 December, 2006 14:46  

  • To view a cynical and satirical visual of George Bush playing a round of "Hangman"...link here:

    www.thoughttheater.com

    By Blogger Daniel DiRito, at 30 December, 2006 17:07  

  • Iraq War Vetran is a pogue and knows it. Did that nasty paper cut at DFAS push towards throwing in the towel?

    By Blogger Gabriel, at 30 December, 2006 17:34  

  • The wingnuts in their ghoulish pleasure over Saddams' death leads one to think that they believe the billions of dollars wasted, the loss of life or limb and the resulting chaos created makes it all worth it.

    The goverment of Iraq will eventually be a council of mullahs who will still want nukes, who will still want to support Hamas and Hezbollah, who will still kill and torture political enemies and who will still hate America.

    Nice job.

    By Blogger Elmonica, at 30 December, 2006 19:24  

  • Gabriel, are you that stupid, I have been medically retired by the United States Army due to injuries incurred while defending my country in the War on Terror in Iraq. Since I love being around soldiers, I choose to start a new career working at Fort Carson as a DFAS employee. Enough said.

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 30 December, 2006 21:22  

  • dennis_kookinich said...

    "Iraq War veteran filed a lawsuit in federal court yesterday, asking that Saddam be spared because he has civil issues to attend to.. What a jerk."

    Huh? What does that mean? Is this guy a moron?

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 30 December, 2006 21:30  

  • Seeing as how Clinton dodged the draft and fled the country I guess he is not eligible to comment on the war wither, right?

    By Blogger patriot101, at 30 December, 2006 23:25  

  • Seeing as how Clinton dodged the draft and fled the country to avoid Vietman, I guess he is not eligible to comment on the war either, right?

    By Blogger patriot101, at 30 December, 2006 23:27  

  • All this chickenhawk crap is BS. 99% of the country is not in the armed services along with most of congress. Does that mean none of them can comment on the war. Grow up you commie nutjobs! Freedom of speech is there for all of us. If you don't like the country then don't let the door hit you on the way to Canada.

    By Blogger KSF4Bush04, at 30 December, 2006 23:44  

  • See, this all gives credence to the draft argument. The veterans believe that they are forever to be honored as old warhorses, fifty years after service...never giving the younger guys voice...and there are others who feel, how dare you, as a veteran, EVER express an opinion divergent from the current regime's!

    At least the draft would level out all of this moral superiority. If everyone had to serve, nobody could claim a higher level of righteousness. Maybe EVERYONE would understand-even the chickenhawks-and that would be the end of needless wars of choice. And wars for profit and third parties. Make it SERVICE again...take out the false nobility and make it an everyday reality for all (including the rich, for once)..

    Just a thought...

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 31 December, 2006 00:44  

  • KSF-are you willing to return the money you have stolen from me and provide reparations for stealing my birthright and enable me to make my own way in a new land (which is BOUNDLESSLY difficult in civilized lands, when one is equipped with inferior American education and training?)

    You are so quick to steal my money and spend it on programs I have not authorized, therefore placing my life in threat...why not pony up what you've stolen in our name, so we CAN leave for better pastures?

    Crickets???

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 31 December, 2006 00:47  

  • Hash - As soon as you pony up the money stolen from me for every worthless, duplicitive, nanny state welfore inducing government program that has driven up my taxes to a ludicrous level.

    BTW, why are you unable to make your own way? Are you unable to provide for yourself without government handouts?

    Do you require stealing other people's money to make it on your own. Grow up, get educated and get a job like the rest of us. Sounds like you have had too much hash as your screen name indicates.

    By Blogger KSF4Bush04, at 31 December, 2006 09:54  

  • KSF and Patriot, let me respond to your moronic comments. First Patriot, what part of 18-42 did you not understand? KSF, did I ever say I worshiped, praised or even considered Bill Clinton a patriotic American? No, so don't try to Hannitize me.

    I just actually respect the opinion of our President. I'll repeat what he said over a year ago. At Fort Bragg, NC, President George W. Bush asked every American to sacrifice during this War on Terror. I choose to serve my country in the United States Army. What have you all done to win this war? Less than 1/2 of 1% of the Country is actually sacrificing. Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean shit, so is the American Servicemen and Women. Just because you have a yellow ribbon on the back of your car that says "Support Our Troops" doesn't mean shit to the US Servicemember either. The Chinese thank you for your purchase, and so does Wal-Mart. If your between the age of 18-42 (yes 42, they raised the age again) and even if you don't have a highschool diploma (that doesn't matter anymore, we'll get you a GED when your in), I know many military recuiters, please drop me a line, I can have someone contact you. Lets all sacrifice just like President George W. Bush asked in support of this War on Terror. Doesn't everybody want us to win? Or do you hate America?

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 31 December, 2006 10:53  

  • Vet - Your bullying tactics don't work. Not everyone who is in that age group could sign up if they wanted to. The service is funded for a certain level of troops. This is just another BS way for you lefties to try to shut up anyone who disagrees with you.

    You don't respect the opinion of GWB. You are taking one sentence he said and taking it out of context to say the only way to sacrifice is to join the miltary. He was saying to do ANYTHING to sacrifice for the country. ie volunteer to help kids, poor people, tutor, donate etc.

    Your chickenhawk BS is pathetic and transparent. Nice try. Freedom of speech is guaranteed for everyone in this country. You can not put parameters on it and if people don't meet your BS guidelines tell them to shut up. Why don't you go read the constitution otherwise STFU!

    Go find Cindy Sheehan and sing koombayah with all the other America haters. We all have the right to voice our opinions, not just the anti war, hippie, commie wannabes.

    By Blogger KSF4Bush04, at 31 December, 2006 11:17  

  • "You don't respect the opinion of GWB" Yes I do, prove me wrong.

    You say "Freedom of speech is guaranteed for everyone in this country." then you say "otherwise STFU!" I may not be a computer geek and know all the lingo, but doesn't that mean "shut the fuck up"? Isn't that a contradiction? You tell me to shut up but you have freedom of speech, that doesn't make sense.

    "Commie" Its not the 60's anymore dude...I know you wish it was, but its not. I'm no hippie either! Please don't try calling me a moonbat either, what ever the hell that is.

    "You are taking one sentence he said and taking it out of context to say the only way to sacrifice is to join the miltary. He was saying to do ANYTHING to sacrifice for the country. ie volunteer to help kids, poor people, tutor, donate etc. " Just suppose you are right, even though he was saying this infront of a Military crowd. Which of those other sacrifices are you doing? I can't believe you would do any of those extreme leftist suggestions.

    "Vet - Your bullying tactics don't work. Not everyone who is in that age group could sign up if they wanted to. The service is funded for a certain level of troops. This is just another BS way for you lefties to try to shut up anyone who disagrees with you."

    Prove it, I have yet to meet a recruiter that has said no to anyone who doesn't have a disability (even ones with warts on their ass). The service is funded for a certain level of troops? Come on dude, are you that hateful towards our Country that you have to make up shit. Defense Budget this past year $500 Billion, every new enlistee gets $20,000 bonus to enlist.

    KSF4Bush04=hates America
    KSF4Bush04=wants America to lose in the War on Terror
    KSF4Bush04=doesn't support our troops, probably spits on them as we return
    KSF4Bush04=COWARD! that simple, admit it and I'll leave your pathetic ass alone.

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 31 December, 2006 12:04  

  • KSF4Bush04, now its time for me to leave this computer and go watch some football, you know that American Sport, do you hate that too?

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 31 December, 2006 12:10  

  • "You say "Freedom of speech is guaranteed for everyone in this country." then you say "otherwise STFU!" I may not be a computer geek and know all the lingo, but doesn't that mean "shut the fuck up"? Isn't that a contradiction? You tell me to shut up but you have freedom of speech, that doesn't make sense."

    Typical, you totally took what I said out of context. I said read the constitution or STFU. ie We all get freedom of speech and if you don't understand maybe you should read the constitution before u shoot your mouth off.

    "Commie" Its not the 60's anymore dude...I know you wish it was, but its not. I'm no hippie either! Please don't try calling me a moonbat either, what ever the hell that is."

    Well, you are obviously an America hating moron. Say one good thing about your country for a change!

    "Just suppose you are right, even though he was saying this infront of a Military crowd. Which of those other sacrifices are you doing? I can't believe you would do any of those extreme leftist suggestions."

    I have volunteered at shelters and have donated money. What have you done? Prove that you served and are not a 10 year old child; which is what you sound like.


    "Prove it, I have yet to meet a recruiter that has said no to anyone who doesn't have a disability (even ones with warts on their ass). The service is funded for a certain level of troops? Come on dude, are you that hateful towards our Country that you have to make up shit. Defense Budget this past year $500 Billion, every new enlistee gets $20,000 bonus to enlist."

    Dude, try reading the budget. They set quotas and try to reach those. Can you imagine what the budget would be if 299 MILLION people showed up to volunteer? Or what would happen to the economy? Sorry, I know you have no imagination or brain function based on your posts.

    The rest of your post is not even worthy of a response. Grow up, get a life and learn to respect your country.

    Face it, your BS has been exposed. You can't intimidate the country into silence with your moronic tactics.

    By Blogger KSF4Bush04, at 31 December, 2006 12:44  

  • K-If any honest taxpaying American chooses to hate America, they have that right....

    You, on the other hand, have no right to steal from us, and kill, rape, and murder others in our name.

    You have overstepped your boundaries, and let your mouth overrun your ass.

    I think you should perhaps consider relocating to Saudi Arabia, if you donT like the America that over 80% of Americans want to preserve, and dont want to honor our Constitution and our forefathers.

    I think you should leave soon, before you kill any more of our soldiers, and any more innocent Iraqis.

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 31 December, 2006 15:14  

  • KSF:

    "I have volunteered at shelters and have donated money. What have you done? Prove that you served and are not a 10 year old child; which is what you sound like."

    Perfect! too easy, first if you give me your email address I will send you a copy of my DD214 (discharge papers), once you confirm them, then you apologize on this blog. Agree?

    Second, you prove what have done, and then I'll apologize. Deal?

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 31 December, 2006 18:12  

  • IWV - let me start by (and this is no joke and it is not patronization either) thanking you for placing your ass on the line, when many others in this society can (or will) not do so.

    That said, I find your vehemence on the subject a little strange. I have read your website, and it reads to me like the old VVAW material from the 60s.

    You impart that those who do not serve have not made any kind of sacrifice. I would disagree with you in that there are families with children who are making sacrifices of time and money, owners of businesses who are sacrificing productivity so that their reservist employees can keep their positions open, and there are entire communities who have had their male population reduced by great numbers due to war commitments. Church communities who have banded together to help feed and clothe and educate parishoners' children whose parents have been KIA or WIA, etc. etc.

    In short, there is sacrifice going on in this nation, but it is, by and large, being done in a quiet, unassuming manner, and not at the "look at me, see what I'm doing for my country" type of approach (coughcoughAlFrankencough).

    The one thing you have left out in your commentary in this subject is that each and every one of those individuals - including yourself, IWV - volunteered to join The Green Machine. And correct me if I'm wrong, but no one who walks into a recruitment office these days can sign up without knowing that there is a nonzero possibility that they may go into combat.

    In short, actions have consequences.

    Joining the military, whether reserve or active, has consequence for the soldier, but also for his family, his job, and even his entire community. Is their collective sacrifice in picking up the slack when the soldier departs, not worthy of mention, even if it is not on the same scale as that of the soldier himself?

    I would also ask you this: When the soldier departs, is he thinking about the sacrifice he is making, or that of those he leaves behind?

    By Blogger JD, at 31 December, 2006 21:31  

  • JD, I don't think Iraq War Veteran is looking for himself or any of his buddies to be venerated or given lifetime immunity from criticism.

    I would think that Iraq War Veteran wants you to understand that you can have honorably served, or be honorably serving in this administration's war and still reserve the right to express opinions against the conflict, take issue with what neocons are saying about it, and express dissent towards the administration itself.

    You have your version of what you see, and that is your right, but you're not contesting other people's dissenting views, you're attempting to nullify their right to express any other view, and calling it unpatriotic.

    I believe that if many of the veterans who accepted neocon blanket accolades at the onset of the conflict had understood the deal they were cutting, they'd have refused the acclaim outright and asked to have the spitters of the 70s back.

    At least then, they were free to fight people they thought hated them, rather than this new breed of those who pretend to support them and work against their own interests....

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 31 December, 2006 21:54  

  • "You have your version of what you see, and that is your right, but you're not contesting other people's dissenting views, you're attempting to nullify their right to express any other view, and calling it unpatriotic."

    First off, hash, that question was directed at IWV. When I want to know how to be a troll for fun and profit, I'll pose the question to you.

    I have clashed from time to time with the IWV, but I truly want to understand what is going on - after all, he's been there, I haven't. Asking a question is not an attempt to nullify anyone's views or to call them "unpatriotic" - it is merely a question to elucidate more conversation. You know, that thing that you hate to engage in intelligently considering your proven lack of ability to do so.

    And next time you butt in on someone else's direct question, do try and actually read what the questions are, instead of trying to toss around the "U" word and attempting to shut discussion down yourself, or turn it into a leftard poo-flinging contest.

    By Blogger JD, at 31 December, 2006 22:23  

  • IWV, I have no intention of proving anything to you. You keep demanding everyone else prove something before they can express an opinion so I thought I would give you a taste of your own medicine. I will not be giving you my e-mail as I have no desire to be flooded with left wing hate propaganda.

    By Blogger KSF4Bush04, at 31 December, 2006 23:57  

  • Hash, after rolling on the floor laughing I just had to reply. You and IWV are the ones telling everyone who doesnt agree with them to shut up and now you accuse JD of trying to stifle dissent. LMAO! Go smoke some more hash and leave the adult conversations to the people that have brain cells left.

    By Blogger KSF4Bush04, at 31 December, 2006 23:59  

  • On the other hand, ksf could always be killed in a hotel fire, jd could very well meet his end in an interstate pileup, and maybe then I'd realize the fruitlessness of trying to engage filth in proper conversation...

    Guess I won't be fooled again...

    Have fun pumping each other off.

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 01 January, 2007 01:41  

  • With all due respect the problem with the conservtive mindset and the pathetic Bush apologists is simple...... they need a "story book" ending to a war which was started on a "story book" lead up by a complict lazy hack media. The Huffington Post is not "hand wringing", they are doing something today's "conservative" literally shits their pants over, it is called REPORTING the news. The job of the news is not to supply a "story book" world with the Saddam statue falling, schools being painted , shia Iraqi happy about Saddam being toppled... hanging.... happily ever after! The job is to PRESENT the REALITY.... not to slip into the message that the United States government want the citizens to see but rather BOTH sides, the good and the bad. As much as the "Bush apologists" and "ditto head" crowd desires this fantasy, this is not the job of the MEDIA, not the job of the JOURNALIST. Deal with it. I can only hope, the media gets over the lazy new years stupor and ceases the propaganda reels of the Saddam hanging, and returns to the NEWS. This is their JOB, they owe America the NEWS, not a Busah administration puff job. simple as that.

    By Blogger Minister of Propaganda, at 01 January, 2007 11:45  

  • Deal with it. I can only hope, the media gets over the lazy new years stupor and ceases the propaganda reels of the Saddam hanging, and returns to the NEWS.

    ...are you retarded? Seriously...have they tested you?

    If the media was only reporting what Bush wanted us to see/hear we wouldn't have a minute by minute account of deaths in Iraq, whether of our own or of civilians.

    The media didn't even make a big deal of Saddam's death, none of them showed him actually being hanged.

    You have to be so psychotically to the left-wing or right-wing to believe that the media isn't doing it's job.

    By Blogger shawn, at 01 January, 2007 15:19  

  • Is this you, "Iraq War Veteran"?

    http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2006/5/24/lies-deceit-fraud-treason-soldiering-like-a-peacenik.html

    By Blogger PCD, at 01 January, 2007 21:36  

  • Lord Help Us, Fudgepackerdan is back again, from outer space...

    By Blogger hashfanatic, at 02 January, 2007 01:41  

  • Hasn,

    Not outer space, just back from Wisconsin. I got the motel receipts to prove it, including one from MADison.

    I see you are still overdue at the methadone clinic.

    By Blogger PCD, at 02 January, 2007 08:50  

  • Sheep Shaun posted
    The media didn't even make a big deal of Saddam's death, none of them showed him actually being hanged.

    ohhh they didn't??? they had n actual countdown on the local Fox affiliate in NY, like this was the ball dropping. You are a pathetic media-apologist, if you think the media is "doing their job". The media is a complict for profit right wing dominated psuedo-reality propaganda machine.
    only person retarted is YOU. Seriously, you fell on your fucking herad at birth, if you think we have an actual media in respect to broadcast journalism. either you work for the MSM, or your fucking retarted and can't tewll the difference between ppopaganda and reporting. You have some nerve, you little propaganda absorbing sponge. You do not even see how they twisted you. Absolutly pathetic, you fucking dunce. Do not ever call me "retarted" I will embarass you on this blog, you will be forced to leave due to embarassment, last warning fuck face.
    Go turn on that TV, the storybook awaits you, SUCKER.

    By Blogger Minister of Propaganda, at 02 January, 2007 10:40  

  • Even the Vatican has come out critical of the media for the images of Saddam's hanging. The filthy right-wing has driven this media spectacle.

    How dare they preach to us about the sanctity of life and then take such perverse pleasure in death.

    By Blogger Elmonica, at 02 January, 2007 16:55  

  • Because Saddam was an evil cocksucker whose time on this Vale of Tears was long since expired.

    Besides, the longer he's around, the longer he's able to pick up support from dimwits like yourself.

    By Blogger JD, at 02 January, 2007 21:13  

  • The media coverage of this event was bad enough, but the government of this burgeoning new democracy allowed it to become a public lovefest for Muqtada al-Sadr.

    Well done.

    By Blogger Elmonica, at 02 January, 2007 23:12  

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