The Radio Equalizer: Brian Maloney

22 September 2005

Air America's Odd Pledge Drive

PANHANDLING NEXT?

AAR Seeking 'Gifts', Limbaugh, O'Reilly Won Election





In what appears to be just short of outright panhandling, a desperate Air America Radio is now begging listeners for cash donations.

From a mass email pitch sent Wednesday afternoon, Air America supporters were taken to a webpage where a direct solicitation is made.

Resembling an online PBS or NPR pledge drive, the site offered paltry "benefits" for cash "gifts" to the liberal talk network. Is Air America unintentionally a not-for-profit enterprise?

For $50, they'll send three "official" bumper stickers, while $100 gets a "stylish" tote bag thrown in. The sucker who has everything might choose the $250 version, including the above and an on-air thanks from one of Air America's talk hosts.

Tote BagAnother option: send "any amount", for which they'll be "grateful". Only you can prevent the next Boys & Girls Club financial raid. Send a buck, save midnight basketball in the Bronx.

There's little indication of where the money will go, whether for overpaid air talent, sparkling new studios, the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club repayment fund, or perhaps to settle one of the endless legal flaps that plague Air America Radio. Somehow it will "help Air America Radio get on the air in every community in the nation," according to the website.


Bumper StickerRadio industry reaction was swift to Air America's new fundraising approach, cooked up after recent private fundraising troubles and obvious advertising revenue shortfalls (simply listen to the commercial breaks). From one radio industry message board commenter:


Talk about cheap! Public radio has better offers than that. This sounds like a desperation move. How hard up for cash flow could they be? They are running spots but a lot of them sound like bottom-feeder PI (per inquiry) spots (no cash, they get a commission if anybody orders).

The least they could do is offer stock, then if the thing ever does take off people could see some return. Keep in mind folks, donations to a for-profit business are NOT deductible.


Radio Equalizer readers were busy forwarding the email here Wednesday evening:


Dear Air America Radio Listener,

When we launched the Air America Radio network one year ago, the country was being talked to death by conservative zealots like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and others. Right Wing radio saturated every media market and every community a dominance of the airwaves that has been a huge part of what allowed the Right Wing to:

* Drag America into the Iraq war.
* Open up the Arctic National Refuge for oil drilling.
* Take over both houses of Congress.
* And, of course, win the 2004 Presidential election.

Rather than wait for the Right Wing to run out of breath, we launched Air America Radio to give the country back its voice. Thanks to listeners like you, we have a presence on 70 stations covering 60% of U.S. media markets. Air America Radio currently offers 15 shows and runs 24 hours a day of entertaining but always enlightening programming.

To continue this great success story and start shaping the national debate the way that Right Wing talk radio does every day, we've got to reach into every community in this country. We know we can’t achieve this next stage of growth without significant help from you, our loyal listeners.

We’ve also been asked on many occasions by our listeners how they can help out. Today we are launching a new program called AIR AMERICA ASSOCIATES that gives you the opportunity to do just that.

As an Air America Associate, you are a member of a special group of listeners who support Air America Radio and are dedicated to building the Air America community. When you sign up, we will send you a packet of bumper stickers to remind you that your job as an Associate is to spread the word about Air America Radio to other progressives in your workplace, your family, and your neighborhood.

Also, as an Air America Associate, you'll be kept informed of events in your area and receive a monthly Associates insider newsletter with backstage news from our shows and our headquarters. And in time, when we launch our paid services, as an Associate you will be eligible for special discounts for premium content.

Rush Limbaugh didn't take over our airwaves by himself he had an army of "dittoheads" behind him. We will never reach the same critical mass that he has without our listeners helping us as well. So, please become an Air America Associate today by clicking here:

Thank you very much for your support,

Danny Goldberg
Air America Radio CEO


I'm sure Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and other talk hosts are happy to know they swung the 2004 election for Republicans.

Funny, liberals were just blasting Bill O'Reilly for revealing Air America's financial troubles and collapse risk on Tuesday's radio show. Just one day later, the network itself has backed up his contentions.


Update- Captain Ed writes:


Anyone else see the resemblance between AAR and Blanche DuBois of A Streetcar Named Desire?

I loved the AAR promotion language that promised FREE STUFF if you send them $50. Who would be stupid enough to fall for that line? Well ....


See the Cap'n's brilliant take here.

Update: Powerline weighs in here.

AnkleBitingPundits has fun with the story.

Kevin at Wizbang has another angle on this. More at Memeorandum, California Conservative and Chris Christner's site. Chris has a nice "deathwatch" graphic I hadn't before seen.


Radio industry coverage from talk radio reporter Perry Simon at All Access:


AIR AMERICA RADIO is asking listeners for donations, an unusual move for a commercial broadcaster. The "AIR AMERICA ASSOCIATES" program is similar to public radio's pledge-drive offerings, with a $50 donation netting the donor three "I'm Building AIR AMERICA RADIO" bumper stickers and a $100 donation worth a tote bag. Donors of $250 or more will be thanked on the air and personally by hosts and staff. The donation page appears on AAR's website, accessible by clicking on the "Associates Program" ad on the right side of the home page.

And as expected, the move has drawn immediate criticism from conservatives, including blogger/radio host BRIAN MALONEY's RADIO EQUALIZER, which is featuring the text of an e-mail sent to AAR listeners by the network's CEO DANNY GOLDBERG asking for donations. AAR's move is not unprecedented, however: besides religious broadcasters who routinely ask for donations on commercially-licensed stations, TED TURNER famously asked for viewers of WRET-TV/CHARLOTTE to send in donations to keep the station on the air, saving the station, which he later sold and is now NBC affiliate WCNC-TV.


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94 Comments:

  • HA HA HA

    Please send money so we can pay Al Franken.

    HA HA HA

    Hey DickTuck and Phil, how much of your hard earned dough are you going to give to a losing cause?

    HA HA HA

    Don't forget to go march with Sheehan and the Commies this weekend either.

    BTW, nice ratings too. This is just wa too easy.

    By Blogger BurbankErnie, at 22 September, 2005 02:32  

  • Whaddya know... burbankernie appears to be sockpuppet for Tom C.
    Hardly surprising... Tom C wouldn't dare appear on this blog after getting his head handed to him so many times.

    HA HA HA

    Please send money to burbankernie so he can finish high school.

    HA HA HA

    And how often are you going give up your ass to the GOP now that it is a losing cause? You know...the resignation and arrest of David Safavian... the indictments for Delay's criminal cronies from TRMPAC... Bob Taft's conviction in Ohio... the impending indictments for Rove, Libby, and others for treason?

    HA HA HA

    Oh... and don't forget to give your ass to Michael Brown this weekend either... he won't be able to find work anywhere for some time.

    HA HA HA

    BTW, nice approval ratings for Bush. Sub 40% and heading south. This is just way too easy.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 08:13  

  • Sheesh, Maloney! You just practically lifted my entire post that I threw up yesterday at 3:06PM.

    By Blogger TC, at 22 September, 2005 09:22  

  • Sheesh, Maloney! You just practically lifted my entire post that I threw up yesterday at 3:06PM.

    HA HA HA

    Baloney is a thieving plagiarist! No one is surprised there... but this is hilarious all the same.

    What's even funnier is this fraud is accusing AAR of panhandling when he's an unemployed bum who needs to scrape money from Amazon clicks to pay the bills. What a hypocrite!

    HA HA HA

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 09:31  

  • Well, I recognize you trolls for what you are. I am only amazed that you are so stupid that you might think that anyone might take you seriously.

    Please continue with your retarded stupidity, that is the one reason I am against AAR being lost from the airwaves. After all, with a voice like they present how can a conservative lose?

    You go libs!!!

    By Blogger NtvAmrcn, at 22 September, 2005 09:45  

  • When confronted with the reality of the congenital dishonesty and corruption of conservatives, nvtamrcn sticks his head back in the sand. Yeah, that'll make it go away.

    HA HA HA

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 09:59  

  • "To continue this great success story and start shaping the national debate the way that Right Wing talk radio does every day, we've got to reach into every community in this country."

    Once again, Libs just can't be honest. Is a station that is doing worse than the station it replaced really a "Success story"? Gimme a break.

    As I've said before, if Libs had any class , they'd admit that AAR's performance, to date, has been disappointing. However, honesty and reality are foreign concepts to the idealogy driven left.

    Brett

    By Blogger LibsRlosers, at 22 September, 2005 10:10  

  • BTW, nice approval ratings for Bush. Sub 40% and heading south

    Yet another moron trying to change the subject.

    By Blogger Ace, at 22 September, 2005 10:23  

  • When confronted with the reality of the congenital dishonesty and corruption of conservatives, nvtamrcn sticks his head back in the sand.

    Gee, lets see, the last Democratic President was impeached, paid money to settle a sexual harassment suit, was disbarred in his home state and lost his law liscense, and his #3 person at DOJ was in federal prison.

    And you're talking about a Republiclan lobbyist.

    the impending indictments for Rove, Libby, and others for treason?


    Obviously, moron, you don't understand this topic, yet you chose to opine on it.

    Oh well, par for the course....

    Of course....

    By Blogger Ace, at 22 September, 2005 10:26  

  • Well, Philm, you go ahead and send in your $50 donation to a network that is not supported by the public (unless you consider a rip off of a public foundation public support).

    I am all for keeping them,(AAR) alive and well. Even though I consider myself a conservative, for lack of a better label, even as dumb as I am I can see that the republican party is the lesser of two evils.

    So, I say again, keep up the good work!!!

    By Blogger NtvAmrcn, at 22 September, 2005 10:30  

  • just to point out a grammatical error:
    ntvamrcm said: "Please continue with your retarded stupidity..."

    the word "retarded" literally means "held back", so, by your phrase, you are implying that AAR has held back stupidity, meaning that they aren't stupid. perhaps a dictionary would be a wise purchase to prevent future instances of portraying yourself as a jackass.

    By Blogger liberal outlaw, at 22 September, 2005 10:51  

  • TC, sounds like you get credit for the scoop, but I haven't seen your post. Be careful about accusations like that.

    By Blogger Brian Maloney, at 22 September, 2005 10:59  

  • Thanks for your great work on this scandal! I've linked to your story on my blog
    http://www.toptechwriter.us/weblog

    By Blogger TopTechWriter.US, at 22 September, 2005 11:00  

  • It took awhile for someone like Rush L. to build up an audience and presumably the same would happen with AAR, but I don't remember Rush doing a pledge drive! Laughable!

    Conservative hosts like Rush get more successful because they know how to do it right, AND, in a blatant example
    of capitalism (I know, a word that makes the libs shudder), he can now
    market stuff like his newsletter and make even more money.

    Nobody wants AAR's product so now they've resorted to begging. Next they'll be like NPR/PBS and ask for government grants.

    By Blogger raccoonradio, at 22 September, 2005 11:00  

  • ust to point out a grammatical error:
    ntvamrcm said: "Please continue with your retarded stupidity..."

    the word "retarded" literally means "held back", so, by your phrase, you are implying that AAR has held back stupidity, meaning that they aren't stupid. perhaps a dictionary would be a wise purchase to prevent future instances of portraying yourself as a jackass.

    I never clained to be a genious or even educated for that matter. But you just keep on nitpicking on trivialities like this and you will only continue to illustrate my point. We need idiots like you to keep on talking. You only drive thinking people to the right, if right is the correct term or direction politically. But the problem is, there is no other direction for them to go today, with a two party system.

    By Blogger NtvAmrcn, at 22 September, 2005 11:36  

  • Its amazing how you republicans attack a radio station that promotes liberal views. Are you worried or something? There are a thousands of rightwing radio personalities, and you consistently talk about AAR. Lets talk about who truly supports the troops in radio. Has Bill O'Reilly, Sean "your a great american" Hannity, Michael Medved, Michael Reagan, or William Bennett gone to Iraq to "Support the Troops". Its very easy, sign up with the a USO tour. As an Army Staff Sergeant and Iraq Veteran, I was glad to see many celebrities come visit while I was deployed there. I was extremely surprised to see such a leftist like Al Franken show up in Iraq. After coming home, I found out he went back again. Wow, he must be un-american!

    By Blogger Staff Sergeant, at 22 September, 2005 12:14  

  • Hey Assbitch... we learned something very interesting this morning: Baloney steals other people's content just like you do... that he's a thieving plagiarist just like you, assbitch.

    Also, that he's an unemployed panhandler who has the hypocrisy to accuse others of panhandling...

    ...and that wing-nuts don't like being reminded of Bush's dismal performance ratings...

    ... that Safavian was arrested this week... and that it is only a matter of time before Rove and Libby are arrested too.

    HA HA HA.

    It's been a very entertaining morning indeed.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 12:20  

  • There must be some other charity or children's club that they could get a "loan" from. I wonder if they have tried cancer or aids organizations? Next I would try organizations like the Workers World Party, or perhaps appealing directly to countries like China or Cuba. Cuba might allow them to broadcast for free and at least keep Floridians in their range.

    By Blogger MikeyMike, at 22 September, 2005 12:22  

  • AAR has to beg for donations.

    With all the rest falling into place, AAR is gonna be hemmoraging affiliates.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 22 September, 2005 12:31  

  • Man I love listening to you Libs when you're backed into a corner. It's the same old tiring rhetoric. No matter what point is being made, Bush and Rove are somehow brought up. Even if it's a discussion about a Liberal radio network that is, obviously, not going to make it much longer.

    The blame Bush rhetoric is quickly becoming the lame-duck rhetoric. Bush is going to be pres for another 39 months. Like it or not. Now can we stay on topic with Brian's piece.

    By Blogger Nick, at 22 September, 2005 12:35  

  • The level of comment hate is off the charts here today. Must be a lot of worry out there.

    By Blogger Brian Maloney, at 22 September, 2005 12:37  

  • I would like to see Brian hold a contest to find the top ten ideas on how to save Air America.

    By Blogger MikeyMike, at 22 September, 2005 12:38  

  • liberal outlaw said:
    just to point out a grammatical error:
    ntvamrcm said: "Please continue with your retarded stupidity..."

    **Just to point out: "your" in this sentence clearly refers to trolls not AAR.
    **If you had checked a dictionary you
    would have found other meanings for "retarded".

    For example, calling someone a 'douchebag'
    does not mean that you are saying he is
    a small syringe with detachable nozzles; used for vaginal lavage and enemas.

    **Just to point out: you incorrectly
    refer to a grammatical error. You were
    actually claiming a syntax error or error in logic.

    'Retarded stupidity' could be considered redundant, a contradiction, or simply
    bad form, but not an error in grammar.

    For further study, I recommend
    a listen to the Black Eyed Peas'
    "Let's Get Retarded"
    or Canibus's "Get Retarded".
    Peace.

    By Blogger moses_gunn, at 22 September, 2005 12:39  

  • Now can we stay on topic with Brian's piece.

    That should read: ...Brian's plagiaristic piece.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 12:40  

  • I would like to hear from
    AAR listeners about if they are going
    to donate or not.
    Simple question.

    By Blogger moses_gunn, at 22 September, 2005 12:46  

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    By Blogger liberal outlaw, at 22 September, 2005 12:47  

  • Baloney posted: The level of comment hate is off the charts here today. Must be a lot of worry out there.

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    HOW LAME! Baloney gets caught plagiarizing by one of his own wing-nut supporters and he thinks that the ensuing laughter means libs are worried. This is just too funny.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 12:55  

  • that it is only a matter of time before Rove and Libby are arrested too.

    Think about this, you actually believe this silliness.

    Who is going to "arrest" them?

    Wow, are you a spectacular moron.

    By Blogger Ace, at 22 September, 2005 13:17  

  • They need to put weak glue on the bumper sticker, so that when it falls off it forces the victim - I mean listener - to donate again to receive another "free" bumper sticker.

    Money in the bank.

    By Blogger MikeyMike, at 22 September, 2005 13:31  

  • Wow, are you a spectacular moron.

    Is that all you can come up with?
    ROFL AGAIN!!

    No one gives any weight to your opinion, assbitch. You've been shown on this blog to be a lying plagiarist just like Baloney.

    I prefer to believe this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plamegate#Legal_questions

    You wing-nuts sure are worried about Rove. Rightly so!

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 13:31  

  • Interesting how left wingers have enough free time to hang out on niche web sites and post lame insults all day long. Does so much for the "cause" (i.e. whatever lunatic carnival protest the left is pursuing at a given moment).

    Maybe if you got out of your mom's basement, Phil and spooned soup to the "homeless", dropped acid and marched on D.C. or helped an illegal immigrant get his green card, you would be making a "difference".

    Instead you're engaging in pointless name-calling and changing the mind of no one. You aren't part of the solution - so you're part of the problem.

    By Blogger Brian, at 22 September, 2005 13:49  

  • PhilM, by admitting that you believe in Wikipedia, you dismiss any possibility of being credible.

    Now go get me a sammich, foo.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 22 September, 2005 13:53  

  • Yeah... you're right Brian. This is a nothing blog run by a plagiarizing nobody. It's been fun this morning though.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 13:56  

  • phillis,
    what you are too stupid to see, and obviously don't understand, is that neither Rove or Libby violated the IIPA, nor are they targets of the investigation for doing so.
    They testified as witnesses.

    You can not grasp such simple concepts as you are a moron.

    What is even more comical is you rely on a source which can be edited by ignorant simpletons such as yourself.

    Way to go.

    By Blogger Ace, at 22 September, 2005 14:14  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Blogger geofferygellineck, at 22 September, 2005 14:20  

  • Hi Phil

    Couple questions.

    If all "wing-nuts" are congenital liars, why do you instantly believe one who calls Mr. Maloney a plagiarist? Because it suits your needs perhaps? I read the other post, it seems like two people had similar reactions to the same thing, I did not notice any direct lifting of text. In fact the other post seems more your
    style; young, smart-assed, and derisive.

    Do you have the same feelings about left-leaning sites that use Amazon clickers? Do you laugh at them as well?

    Have you ever noticed that both sides of the political divide have lists of bad behavior, as does any large group involving fallible human beings? Is your "head in the sand" as to Lefties legal/moral
    misdoings(such as AA's lying and misappropriation of charity money)
    while you amplify any of Righties
    bad behavior. It does seem so to me.

    What do you do for a living that gives you the elitist, snobby attitude that you are displaying for us. Or do you only behave that way towards people who have a different opinion than you do. I hope so, then you can grow out of it easier. And yes, I notice plenty of puerile partisan-hack posting on the right side of this thread as well, burbankernies smarmy entry for example, but at least these people seem cognizant of the facts in this case, immature triumphalism aside.

    So, seriously, here is a chance for you to debate like an adult and open my eyes to the real truth.
    I am open to possibility that the facts before me and the admitted
    misappropriation of funds are not the whole picture. I am hoping that your superior intelligence and keen intellect will cut through
    the obfuscatory fug these "wing-nuts" are laying on me. Obi-Wan you are our only hope.

    Seriously, speak with some specificity as to AA's problems,
    Explain to me how Mr Lying liars etc... has not been caught in several lies involving the misappropriation of funds earmarked for needy children.
    That's how I see it, show me where I'm wrong.
    Air America is floundering badly,
    It has been mismanaged (criminally so) and is getting horrible ratings. I think that sucks and I blame Management/Talent. I want
    two vibrant, healthy parties who engage in vibrant, healthy debate
    for the betterment of our country.

    Good post and thread Mr. Maloney,
    I look forward to seeing what you next uncover.

    By Blogger geofferygellineck, at 22 September, 2005 15:03  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Blogger geofferygellineck, at 22 September, 2005 15:05  

  • "I want two vibrant, healthy parties who engage in vibrant, healthy debate
    for the betterment of our country."

    Good post, GG.

    I see two ways for this to happen.

    1. The Democrats kick the America-hating, Marxist/Socialist, leftwing to the curb and adopt a more moderate platform as to recapture middle America.

    2. The Democratic party goes the way of the 8 track player. The Republican party splits in two, with the fiscal conservative somewhat socially liberal types, who want a strong military and police force on one side, and the Christian fundamentalists on the other.

    By Blogger LibsRlosers, at 22 September, 2005 16:34  

  • Nothing? Seriously, I'm curious.
    I will assume you have stopped checking in. I hope to read your reply tomorrow. I hope you can refrain from calling me Assbitch or something equally as clever.
    Again, i see similar rude remarks coming from the other side as well
    but I thought lefties were supposed to be empathic and open-minded and above playground homophobia. I also enjoyed liberal Outlaw's authoritarian stance on our language, not only did he improperly label the mistake, but it just seems a bit mean-spirited and callow. I wonder Outlaw, if you overheard someone taking that haughty tone with a young black person using slang and then calling him a jackass you would rightfully think that this rude dolt was one of the worlds biggest scumbags, yet you don't hold back one second when you are speaking with someone who simply has a different opinion.

    Excuse my seeming anti-lefty stance here. I align myself with no party. Some of the the other posts here are just as bad. At this point AA's involvement in this seems indefensible.

    StaffSergeant, thanks a lot for your service, and I applaud Al for his USO tours. Highly commendable.
    But keep in mind these Republicans
    are not attacking AA for espousing
    their views, they are attacking them for illegally transfering funds meant for needy children and then several shady business moves and proven lies. Both sides constantly attack eachother, where is the surprise? The point is AA, while throwing a lot of accusations around, has been caught BILKING A CHILDREN'S CHARITY
    out of nearly a mil. This is a legitimate attack, as are many of AA's. Discuss.

    Good evening all.

    By Blogger geofferygellineck, at 22 September, 2005 16:52  

  • "I wonder Outlaw, if you overheard someone taking that haughty tone with a young black person using slang and then calling him a jackass you would rightfully think that this rude dolt was one of the worlds biggest scumbags, yet you don't hold back one second when you are speaking with someone who simply has a different opinion."

    i would have said that to anyone, to answer your question. i don't hold anything back from anyone. maloney can attest to that, as i'm sure he saw from one of my posts that he removed the other day for some reason. and i am correct in my statement about the use of the word "retarded". trust me, i've taken enough advanced vocab classes to know. and why did you bring race into this? what does that have to do with anything? but look here, children - i'm done with you all. i could post a cure to cancer on this blog and you right wing nuts would still call me an idiot. you people will never get it. you will never open your eyes. there is corruption on both sides of the aisle, and scandals. i research and find out facts about BOTH parties. i learn about the good AND the bad. why can't you people do the same? why won't you ever admit when one of your own does something wrong? i admitted before that if AAR did take money from the kid's organization then they were wrong and deserve to be punished. i've admitted that. why can't you people ever admit when a republican and/or republican organization does something wrong? please answer that question. i honestly want to know. i pity you people, i really do. i will pray for your souls, and hope that God will show the light, and the error of your ways. that's all i have to say. i'm done here. say what you want about me, just remember that God is watching.
    God Bless -
    Lib Outlaw

    By Blogger liberal outlaw, at 22 September, 2005 17:13  

  • GeofferyGellineck,

    I never stated that congenital wing-nut liars can deny all of the truth all of the time. For example, even though The Ace-Bitch lies about going to law school and plagiarizes other people's work, I wouldn't expect that even he could lie that the sky is pink or Brownie did "a heck of a job". (Ace-bitch just doesn't realize that his lying leads to no one - not even his wing-nut buddies - takes is pseudo-legal opinions seriously.) And besides...a wing-nut calling out another wing-nut for plagiarism has the weight of being familiar with their own kind's dishonest MO.

    And about the Amazon clicks, well Baloney made the accusation in his post that AAR had resorted to "panhandling". I'm just calling him out for being a blatant hypocrite. Limbaugh and O'Reilly have membership offerings and take donations. No mention of that in his plagiaristic smear job.

    You talk about bad behavior on both sides and the fallibility of human beings. Well, duh! But if you read these posts from Baloney and his dumb one-eyed supporters, you wouldn't know it. There is no sophistication of argument; no shades of grey; no recognition of conservative wrong-doing - only liberal misdeeds; no recognition of human fallibility;... just extremist conservative hackery. Forgive me if I choose to introduce some balance to this one-sided equation?

    But I'm glad that you brought up the subject of human fallibility. The partisan extremists on this blog continue to bleat about Franken "lying" (as do you also). Certainly his initial public statements conflict with the fact that his signature is on the settlement agreement. But he made later statements. From the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

    Franken said he had read only portions that pertained to him and that his lawyer, who had reviewed the document, recommended he sign. "The list of other assets and liabilities did not pertain to me because I was not an investor," he said.

    Also:

    "I am not an investor, and I didn't see this thing," Mr. Franken, the comedian and best-selling author who hosts Air America's daily show "The O'Franken Factor," said.

    Is Franken given any reasonable benefit of the doubt as a fallible human being? That he was just foolish for not reading the entire settlement agreement for himself before signing it? That he read the entire agreement for himself and just couldn't recall the details the GW liability embedded in an attached schedule on the agreement? That he read the entire agreement for himself and just didn't understand what he was reading because he has no legal training? (And before some dumb wing-nut misses the point again, everyone is absolutely responsible for every legal agreement they sign whether they read it or not, understand it or not, etc)

    No. Franken is simply called a "liar." There is no recognition of human fallibility when it comes to Al Franken. He's just a comedian. Who here can remember the waivers in their mortgage agreement off the top of their head? A few...maybe...just maybe...but no more.

    You may rejoin by questioning that Franken did not give the benefit of the doubt to the conservatives he accused of lying in his book. OK. I'd be more than happy to debate such with you.

    So you want to a "healthy" sophisticated debate"? OK... here's your opportunity.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 17:18  

  • GG posted: But keep in mind these Republicans
    are not attacking AA for espousing
    their views, ...


    Err... no. You're a new-comer here so no problem (but I should mention that you appear terribly naive). AAR is the target of wing-nut attacks on this blog no matter the issue including their views. You'll discover that for yourself if you spend any length of time visiting this blog. But if you believe in fairness and balance - as you claim - then this is definitely not the place for you.
    Good luck.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 17:53  

  • Something I was sent that seems about what the liberal press is all about.

    Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last few
    days:

    1-The hurricane only hit black family's property

    2- New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by the
    hurricane.

    3-Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.

    4-New Orleans has no white people.

    5-The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
    resident.

    6-When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.

    7-The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New Orleans: Now the city is welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.

    8-White folks don't make good news stories.

    9-Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
    instead bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.

    10-Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
    efforts.

    11-Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get you and give you money for being stupid.

    By Blogger Owen, at 22 September, 2005 18:18  

  • Brian, posed to me: Be careful about accusations like that."

    You cannot be that dumb.

    Dude, here it is, in lovely lawyered prose: "Loook at my post, then look at Maloney's. Day late and a dollar short."

    Don't threaten me, newbie. I was smacking Air Idiot long before you showed up. You bitched/hitched onto the thew ditch.

    You're acting like a maroon.

    By Blogger TC, at 22 September, 2005 18:22  

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    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 22 September, 2005 19:56  

  • My question is how many of you reactionaries payed for Rush's premium site access? Did Rush use any of that money for his street drug buys? According to Bush that means you support terrorism.

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 22 September, 2005 20:08  

  • Did any of the local reactionaries pay for access to O'Lielly's premium access site? How much of your money went to pay off his subordinate for NONCONSENSUAL PHONE SEX harrassment case?

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 22 September, 2005 20:11  

  • What?
    TC, sounds like you get credit for the scoop, but I haven't seen your post. Be careful about accusations like that.

    Dude, I beat you, period. Without Malkin, you're just "all that."

    Rewrite the facts--like I was smacking Air Idiot six months in fron of you showing up--you and the cookie are coming late to the game I've played.

    By Blogger TC, at 22 September, 2005 20:42  

  • Gee, lets see, the last Democratic President was impeached, paid money to settle a sexual harassment suit, was disbarred in his home state and lost his law liscense, and his #3 person at DOJ was in federal prison. And you're talking about a Republiclan lobbyist.

    Well, since we're digging up the past...

    John Mitchell (Attorney General)
    - convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and sentenced to two and a half to eight years in prison.

    Bob Haldeman (WH Chief of Staff)
    - convicted of conspiracy and obstruction of justice and sentenced to 18-months in prison.

    John Ehrlichman (Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs)
    - convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, perjury, sentenced to 18 months in prison.

    Charles Colson (Chief WH Counsel to the President)
    - pleaded no contest to obstruction of justice, sentenced one-to-three years in prison, served seven months.

    John Dean (WH Counsel to the President)
    - pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice, sentenced to one to four years in prison

    Jeb Magruder (WH Special Assistant to the President & Deputy Director to the CRP)
    - pleaded guilty to a one-count indictment of conspiracy to obstruct justice, defraud the United States, sentenced 4 months to 10 years in prison, served seven months

    James McCord (Security Director for the CRP)
    - convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping, sentenced to 30 years, reduced for implicating the CRP

    G. Gordon Liddy (WH Special Investigations Unit)
    - convicted of conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wiretapping, served four and a half years in prison

    E. Howard Hunt (WH Special Investigations Unit)
    - convicted of burglary, conspiracy, and wiretapping, served 33 months in prison.

    Bernard Baker (WH Special Investigations Unit)
    - convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping, sentenced to 30 years

    Virgilio González (Burglar)
    - convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping, sentenced to 30 years

    Eugenio Martínez (Burglar)
    - convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping, sentenced to 30 years

    Frank Sturgis (Burglar)
    - convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping, sentenced to 30 years

    Dwight Chapin (Nixon's appointments secretary)
    - convicted of lying to the grand jury

    Herbert Porter (Nixon campaign aide)
    - pleaded guilty to the charge of lying to the FBI

    Herbert Kalmbach (Nixon's personal lawyer)
    - pleaded guilty to two charges of illegal election campaign activities, served 6 months in prison

    and last but no least...
    Richard M. Nixon
    - charged with three articles of impeachment: obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress; resigned when Republican senators advised that the Senate vote would most likely convict him, protected from subsequent criminal prosecution by a pardon from Gerald Ford issued on September 8, 1974.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 20:56  

  • To all the leftwing parrots who think they're being clever by posting Rush Limbaugh drug references, or the names of Republicans who have been convicted of various crimes, you're missing the point.

    It's not that we think George Bush, the Republican party, and Rush Limbaugh are God's gifts, it's that, much like the rest of the people in this country, we don't like you.

    By Blogger LibsRlosers, at 22 September, 2005 21:14  

  • To all the leftwing parrots who think they're being clever by posting Rush Limbaugh drug references, or the names of Republicans who have been convicted of various crimes, you're missing the point.

    Such a dismissive attitude towards criminal corruption is hardly surprising coming from a wing-nut - it's what put all those GOP cronies in jail.

    It's not that we think George Bush, the Republican party, and Rush Limbaugh are God's gifts, it's that, much like the rest of the people in this country, we don't like you.

    Yeah, right. I guess that's why that explains the dismal turnout to that farcical "Freedom Walk" in DC last week (yet another attempt to politicize 9/11 and the military). Watch to see what happens this weekend.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 21:44  

  • It's not that we think George Bush, the Republican party, and Rush Limbaugh are God's gifts, it's that, much like the rest of the people in this country, we don't like you.

    If you had half a brain, you'd know that more people voted for Democrats than Republicans. But being a moronic, inbred, shallow-end-of-the-genepool peckerwood, that's probably beyond your ability to grasp.

    As a proud liberal, there are many conservatives I respect. It's just the latest breed of hateful asshats that grate me the wrong way.

    But you miss the point. The point is that Brian did a doofus post about AAR offering premium membership, and pretended that it was akin to begging. The fact is that O'Lielly, "Hillbilly Heroin" Rush, and InSeanity all offer premium memberships, and have for awhile.

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 22 September, 2005 21:57  

  • That is pretty old news. I already donated $50 to the secure AAR site a couple of months ago. I see nothing wrong with donating to a radio station. Let me see, I donate a lot more to the great WFMU.org, the free-form station of the nation in NJ, some to WFDU.fm in NJ, to DemocracyNow!, to my local stations KFAI.org, RadioK.org, and KVSC. Which adds up to more than several hundred dollars a year to people that seem to love and have a passion for what they are doing.

    The funny thing though is, I listen to AAR so much more than the others, that it gets much less money per minute of my listening than all the others combined.

    That reminds me, I should probably also donate to KCRW.org in Santa Monica and the new local station The Current in the Twin Cities.

    By Blogger WHT, at 22 September, 2005 22:00  

  • But you miss the point. The point is that Brian did a doofus post about AAR offering premium membership, and pretended that it was akin to begging. The fact is that O'Lielly, "Hillbilly Heroin" Rush, and InSeanity all offer premium memberships, and have for awhile.

    By Dick Tuck, at 9:57 PM

    No, you miss the point. Much like your infantile leftist brethren, you don't have the emotional maturity to admit that AAR, to date, has been a failure, or at the very least a major disappointment. Until you make that admission, nothing you say has any credibility.

    I find it fascinating that moonbats who post on this blog keep insisting that the rest of us are stupid when it is obvious that the conservatives here have an excellent command of the language.

    It's that type of mentality that has cost you the Senate, House, and the Presidency, your inane conspiracy theories not withstanding.

    Michael Savage is right. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    By Blogger LibsRlosers, at 22 September, 2005 22:30  

  • Michael Savage is right.

    Michael Savage is a closet racist homophobe. Is he your role model?

    By Blogger Dick Tuck, at 22 September, 2005 22:38  

  • Not so closet racist and homephobe, methinks.

    Michael Savage is just the opportunistic character creation of Michael Weiner who couldn't get famous any other way. And the hilarious thing is that the wing-nut crowd has been totally fooled by it and is making Weiner rich. Idiots!

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 23:07  

  • Hey, Phil, I'm BACK!

    And, hmmmm.... looks like Al Franken is still a liar, Air America's ratings are still in the toilet ... and what's this - Air America is ASKING FOR DONATIONS??!!

    ha ha ha ha

    It get SO MUCH BETTER!!!

    By Blogger Tom C, at 22 September, 2005 23:16  

  • And the real point is...
    TC Lynch seems pretty pissed off at Baloney for plagiarizing his original post. The wing-nuts have finally resorted to cannibalizing each other. Not pretty. But pretty hilarious.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 23:16  

  • Tom C... so you decided to be a man and stop hiding behind that sockpuppet. Good for you.

    And you know who else solicits for donations? Your hero and renowned drug user, Dimbaugh. You wing-nuts are such slimey hypocrites.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 22 September, 2005 23:34  

  • Phil,
    What YOU don't get is that Rush makes money from sales on his web site, the money does not go to keep the show on the air, or pay for his salary.
    It is called Capitalism, Phil.

    What AAR is doing is begging for money to stay on the air and pay Al Franken's salary. What Rush does is line his pockets from his sales of Gitmo Wear and Premium Membership.

    You dear Phil, and Dick, fail to see is that Rush makes money from his endeavors; it is a Business. AAR is BEGGING for money to stay ON THE AIR. Big difference, and if you had an honest bone in your body, would see the difference.

    By Blogger BurbankErnie, at 23 September, 2005 00:07  

  • I put a little humorist spin on this lastest Air America attempt.

    http://closetgop.blogspot.com/2005/09/air-america-pledge-drive.html

    By Blogger The Closet Republican, at 23 September, 2005 00:54  

  • This is too easy. I would pay big $$$
    to film Janeane reading my script-have her looking right into the camera, saying all of her emotive talent, "George Bush is a great President. I wish he could run again, so I could vote for him. I would be proud to serve as a surrogate mother for his progeny. I love George Bush with all of my heart."

    Pass the hat, friends.

    By Blogger Doug, at 23 September, 2005 02:14  

  • Shouldn't Franken and the rest of his overpayed buddies take a pay cut instead of asking people who make far less than them to subsidize their rich, privileged lifestyles?

    Oh, well. Pony up, lefties. Give your hard earned money to the rich elitists. I'm sure they'll think of you while sipping their cognac and puffing on $100 Cuban Cohibas.

    By Blogger Calvin, at 23 September, 2005 14:54  

  • not everyones budget is a rounding error in the Murdoch empire...
    (as the economist put it)

    Somehow Kristols rag can be a money losing operation funded by murdoch, and ya'' think it's GREAT.

    But when soros fronts AA some mone, you howl.

    Make Kristol profitible, b/c that's some mote you've got there, otherwise

    So, great standards, I wonder where do you keep the other set?

    By Blogger mdhatter, at 23 September, 2005 16:18  

  • Which is to say.

    the janitors ar AAR are smarter than the trolls here.

    (and they're paid a fair wage)


    trolls, you jsut inspire me to get myself a 100 dollar tote bag.

    suck it!!!!111!!!1

    By Blogger mdhatter, at 23 September, 2005 16:22  

  • "fair wage" meaning an overpayment for a job that they're not necessarily qualified for.

    That's socialism for ya.

    By Blogger Sailor Republica, at 23 September, 2005 17:17  

  • PhilM said...

    >>Is Franken given any reasonable benefit of the doubt as a fallible human being?... Franken is simply called a "liar." There is no recognition of human fallibility when it comes to Al Franken.<<

    We're just playing by Mr. Franken's own rules, which like any good liberal, he would prefer only apply to Conservatives. You might remember a little book he wrote called "Lies, and the blah, blah blah..." In that book we are treated to an entire chapter about how Ann ******* LIED when she referred to her endnotes as footnotes! We follow Al's adventures as he rips the lid off the story of how Bill O'Reilly referred to a Polk Award as a Peabody Award. Franken seems to believe that the utterly inconsequential items he catalogs in this book add-up to a tapestry of lies that, were it not for his own tireless efforts, would threaten the very fabric of the Republic.

    On his own show, he constantly uses the terms "lie" and "liar" to describe anything and anyone with whom he disagrees. And now we are supposed to offer HIM the benefit of the doubt? To hell with that, he has earned the scorn we heap upon.

    Michelle Malkin and Brian Maloney, have between them, caught Al in a whopper ten times the size of anything to be found in his book. Al used the petty mistakes ("LIES" in Frankenspeak) of his political enemies to make a name for himself and now he's caught trying to LIE his ass out of a jam, cosmic justice just doesn't come any sweeter.

    >>He's just a comedian.<<

    Oh really? Has Franken EVER been funny? Long before I had any idea as to his politics I thought Franken was a witless dry-ball. I guess it's a small step for a comedian who was never funny to become a talk-show host who never tells the truth.

    By Blogger JSReno, at 23 September, 2005 20:44  

  • I'll repeat, just incase some of you righties missed what I had to say....Its amazing how you republicans attack a radio station that promotes liberal views. Are you worried or something? There are a thousands of rightwing radio personalities, and you consistently talk about AAR. Lets talk about who truly supports the troops in radio. Has Bill O'Reilly, Sean "your a great american" Hannity, Michael Medved, Michael Reagan, or William Bennett gone to Iraq to "Support the Troops". Its very easy, sign up with the a USO tour. As an Army Staff Sergeant and Iraq Veteran, I was glad to see many celebrities come visit while I was deployed there. I was extremely surprised to see such a leftist like Al Franken show up in Iraq. After coming home, I found out he went back again. Wow, he must be un-american!
    Oh yeah, has Michelle Malkin or Brian Maloney been there...nope! I bet they have a bumpersticker on their car that says "Support Out Troops", to me that shows that they support China, which is where is was made! thanks, thanks alot for your support!

    By Blogger Iraq War Veteran, at 23 September, 2005 22:05  

  • I'm having trouble believing how ideologically distorted the posts are to this site. There is no respect for truth or balance - only partisan misrepresentations.
    If JSReno had read Al Franken's book and wished to represent it accurately, he/she would explain that Franken was not just saying that Ann Coulter lied when she referred to her endnotes as footnotes in her book. But she had deliberately misquoted sources and misrepresented data to support her extermist hyperbole, and then hid all those sources in endnotes so they were almost impossible to trace or verify.
    Also it wasn't that Bill O'Reilly was picked out by Franken when he referred to a Polk award as a Peabody. It was afterwards when he subsequently claimed on air that he never said that he had won those Peabodies and anyone who claimed he had said that was lying. So O'Reilly made a bare-faced lie. And there was a lot more examples of O'Reilly's dishonesty. But Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly are not so important. The real dishonesty that Franken writes about is not that inconsequential. It goes to the very heart of how our country is being governed and where we're being led.
    I respect everybody's opinions but can't the debate be more rational? Maybe Franken fibbed or just couldn't remember. But to characterize this as more significant than the dishonesty that is coming out of our government is nothing but hyperbole. He was a bit player at best with respect to the loan from Gloria Wise. It appears that Evan Cohen and perhaps some others who were involved on the financial side are the real culprits.
    As I said I respect everybody's opinion. But it would be helpful if the discourse is more constructive and the facts are presented in a more complete and accurate manner.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 23 September, 2005 22:36  

  • I was also surprised to see that the Rove/Libby subject was raised in this thread. I agree with The Ace that the IIPA is probably not applicable/too difficult to prove. But I disagree that Rove/Libby are simply witnesses in the investigation. Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, has made some strange and conflicting statements. But he emphatically declared that Fitzgerald advised that Rove is not a "target" of the investigation. i.e., he is not a defendant. But Luskin has been less definite about whether Rove is a "subject" of the investigation. A subject is someone whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury's investigation and a subject may become a target when new evidence or information is uncovered. Luskin revealed that even though he was given assurances that Rove is not a "target", Fitzgerald also made it clear that practically anyone whose conduct falls within the scope of the investigation including Rove would probably be considered a subject. Also, Rove testifying on three occasions to the grand jury may also indicate that he is a subject not a witness. Both targets and subjects get an Advice of Rights attached to their grand jury subpeonas. Witnesses do not.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 23 September, 2005 23:26  

  • "We’ve also been asked on many occasions by our listeners how they can help out."

    Nice segue!

    By Blogger John, at 24 September, 2005 01:50  

  • to 18 USC 793,

    You failed to address the point of my reply, that Franken deserves NO benefit of the doubt. If Franken had followed his original career path of D-list movie extra this would not be an issue, but in his book, he set himself up as the arbiter of what is a lie and what is truth. Here are his own words from page 352 of “Lies”, “Telling the truth is something I take seriously, I try to hold myself to an impossibly high standard” No one forced Franken to write that, so to hell with him if he fails to live up to HIS OWN, STATED, STANDARDS. Exactly how stupid must the man be to have written that statement and then knowingly lie or, as you would rather believe, fail to read the documents in his own file cabinet, before opening his big flapping-mouth to assist the AAR cover-up and his knowledge of it.

    Can anyone remember how the libs bellowed when it was discovered that Bill Bennett, likes to play high-dollar slot machines? As I recall, he was using his own money and not taxpayer funds earmarked for charity.

    "Anybody who deliberately propagandizes with lies should be held up to scorn and ridicule"

    Those are Al's own words, and holding him up to scorn and ridicule is just what we are doing. Hey, it's ok, we have Al's permission!

    >> Franken was not just saying that Ann Coulter lied when she referred to her endnotes as footnotes in her book.<<

    That was exactly what Al was trying (and failed) to do hence the title of the chapter. (For some reason my computer changes Ann's last name into asterisks, which makes it impossible for me to respond fully to your charges as I cannot access some sources that I need. I will attend to these charges in a future post)

    >>It was afterwards when he (O'Reilly) subsequently claimed on air that he never said that he had won those Peabodies and anyone who claimed he had said that was lying. So O'Reilly made a bare-faced lie.<<

    O'Reilly has publicly corrected the record about this TWICE (a little fact Al 'forgets' to mention), and furthermore O'Reilly, NEVER said that HE won a Peabody and I challenge you here and now to provide us the quote and the source. Go to Al's book, try to find it, it isn't there, Franken is the liar here, not O'Reilly.

    >>And there was a lot more examples of O'Reilly's dishonesty.<<

    Examples like, Al's claim that O'Reilly never lived in Levittown, which was obliterated when O'Reilly produced the deed to his father's house. To my knowledge, Franken has never corrected the record or apologized for this lie.

    >>But Ann ******* and Bill O'Reilly are not so important.<<

    I guess they were important enough for Franken to smear in his book but not important enough for anyone to defend, is that how it works?

    >>Maybe Franken fibbed or just couldn't remember.<<

    Oh I see, everyone in Al's world "LIES", but he himself merely "fibs" how very charitable of you. "Fibs and the Fibbing Fibbers who Tell Them" is that it? Franken specifically uses the emotional charged word "LIES" and "LIAR" against people he hopes to destroy whether he has proof or not. Keep swallowing the vomit sweetheart.

    >>He was a bit player at best with respect to the loan from Gloria Wise. <<

    How do you know he was a bit player? As often as AAR's story has changed who knows what may ultimately be learned about his role in this affair. Do you have some inside information you would like to share or is this just more Franken-bile.

    >> it would be helpful if the discourse is more constructive and the facts are presented in a more complete and accurate manner.<<

    You mean complete and accurate like Franken's book was accurate? Or as accurate as Franken's statements about Gloria Wise have been? If we are working on Franken-Standards than I have already met and surpassed the burden of proof. In Franken's world, to claim is to prove, mere assertion is enough for the tiny-brains that pay attention to this “comedian”.

    You have a very low standard for yourself (fibs) and different, higher standard for Conservatives (LIES!). You children of the left are pouting and stamping your feet because you don't like to live under the rules you make for others. You lack even the simplest objectivity and intellectual honestly to admit that Franken got caught in a bare-assed lie.

    By Blogger JSReno, at 25 September, 2005 14:04  

  • You Dem-Libs are so cute when you're losing.

    Which means that, for years now, you've been just adorable.

    By Blogger Metro Man, at 25 September, 2005 15:18  

  • JSReno...err...Tom C,

    It sure looks like you know a lot about Al Franken's book. You must have read that damn thing 20 times or more. I'm sure Al would be very happy that you're so interested. Or maybe a little freaked that you're so obsessed? And I thought you were a little ass-bitch that only gave it up for the GOP. Looking to cross the aisle?

    HEY! I asked you a question a while ago and I'm still waiting for an answer.

    IF YOU COULDN'T RECALL THE DETAILS OF A LEASE AGREEMENT WITHOUT REFERRING TO THE WRITTEN DOCUMENT, AND IF YOU THINK IT IS LAME TO RECALL SUCH DETAILS OF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, THEN WHY ARE YOU EXPECTING FRANKEN TO BE ABLE TO???

    Whenever you're ready...

    You know... I found this crazy web site totally dedicated to Franken's book. Wow! The guy behind this site is totally obsessed... just like you. My obsession is my wife. Then golf. I try to play every weekend. I shot an 81 yesterday which is not too bad... although my short game let me down on the back nine. Anyway, this nutjob behind this anti-Franken web site must have spent months in his basement while I was playing golf composing all this twisted fallacious argument trying to debunk Franken's book. He even goes so far as to expect people to believe that just because Bill O'Reilly used the term "we" then it is OK for O'Reailly to claim that he never said that "he" won those Peabody awards. Yeah...I agree... quite intellectually dishonest.

    But this nutjob did posit something that I do agree with: "If someone says something incorrect and then later corrects themselves (2 times!) it is unfounded and completely illogical to claim the incorrect statement was an intentional LIE,...".

    Franken's initial statement concerning the GW loan was incorrect, but he came out a couple of times and cleared the record. So by the above standard, "it is unfounded and completely illogical to claim" that Franken intentionally lied. And this guy is a total nutjob obsessed with picking apart every sentence in Franken's book. Wow. If this guy can be so forthright, then I'm sure anybody can.

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 25 September, 2005 22:30  

  • A fund raising drive? With totebags?! That's way too NPR.

    Here's a challenge: How about holding a bake sale.

    By Blogger eLarson, at 26 September, 2005 16:29  

  • >>JSReno...err...Tom C,<<

    >>HEY! I asked you a question a while ago...<<

    Well, to begin with, I'm not Tom C, and I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Since it's clear that you don't either, I'd say that makes us even.

    >>IF YOU COULDN'T RECALL THE DETAILS OF A LEASE AGREEMENT WITHOUT REFERRING...blah, blah, blah... <<

    You'll have to take this up with another person. I gather from the context that this has something to do with the above mentioned question. MY POINT, should you wish to address it, is... why should Franken be afforded the benefit of the doubt when he has never shown the slightest inclination to offer it to others? Franken, is a thin-skinned whiner, who can't take a dose of his own medicine.

    >>My obsession is my wife. Then golf. I try to play every weekend. I shot an 81 yesterday which is not too bad... <<

    Glad to know the golf game is going so well though I hear you're having a bit of trouble on number seven, you know the one, that par two with the very tricky windmill. I say, just practice, practice, practice and above all, don't get discouraged.

    But then again, perhaps a little less time on the lush astro-turf greens of Pirates Cove, and a little more time working on your critical thinking skills might prove beneficial. Now, you'll want to start slowly, don't over-tax you under-used little noggin. Start with something that will challenge your intellect. I would suggest a year's subscription to Highlights Magazine. The stories are short, the print is large and the pictures and games abound. If the subscription price is too steep, then you can always barter a deal with a nearby dentist, your janitorial skills, for his back issues. Everybody wins!

    >>Anyway, this nutjob behind this anti-Franken web site must have spent months in his basement while I was playing golf composing all this twisted fallacious argument trying to debunk Franken's book. He even goes so far as to expect people to believe that just because Bill O'Reilly used the term "we" then it is OK for O'Reailly to claim that he never said that "he" won those Peabody awards. Yeah...I agree... quite intellectually dishonest.<<

    I guess if Franken (and you apparently) are going to suggest that O'Reilly is padding his credentials by claiming HE won an award, then the least we can expect from you is a citation of the quote and the source. I promise to buy you a years supply of those little pre-sharpened golf pencils if you can produce the quote. I would check first in Sandy Berger's socks, God only knows what you might find in there.

    It is very clear, in context, that O'Reilly, (who is NOT a Conservative, more like a mushy-moderate) bristled at his former show being called "tabloid". Sort of like, instead of being compared to O'Henry, he was being compared to an O'Henry Bar. He knew the show had won an award and since he obviously did not attend the ceremony, he said Peabody instead of Polk. Two stupid awards both starting with a "P". But Franken treats it like the crime of the century, NO benefit of the doubt for O'Reilly. No recognition that O'Reilly made a simple HUMAN mistake. THAT WAS MY POINT!... GET IT NOW, GOOBER? When Franken apologizes to O'Reilly, I will rescind my criticism.

    By Blogger JSReno, at 27 September, 2005 01:56  

  • >>But this nutjob did posit something that I do agree with: "If someone says something incorrect and then later corrects themselves (2 times!) it is unfounded and completely illogical to claim the incorrect statement was an intentional LIE,...".<<

    No, Franken's initial story was a lie and he's now changed THAT story by telling another lie.

    >>Franken's initial statement concerning the GW loan was incorrect, but he came out a couple of times and cleared the record.<<

    Interesting progression here. You started by saying we should forgive ole' Al because he's only human after all, and just a comedian to boot. (get your story straight dude, is he someone to be take seriously or not) Someone else added that he might be "fibbing" and NOW, you make an argument of equivalence; Franken is NO BETTER than O'Reilly, so let's just give him a pass.

    That's a lot of dancing around the words you just can't bring yourself to say... LIE, LIED, LIAR.

    Would you like to have a do-over? Let's see what new euphemism you can come up with for the simple word, "LIE". For the record, the words "MISTAKE", "FIB" and "INCORRECT" have already been used, but I invite you to whip-out your Roget's (it's a reference book Phil, not a body part) and give it another go. Canard, and falsehood are still available, or maybe you'll surprise us. I am sure whatever your choice, it will be hilarious.

    Something tells me you would be better-off playing even more golf than you do already. The left needs a few people who can make cogent arguments and then back them up. Duffers need not apply.

    I think I hear that wise old gnome, you know the one at hole 15, par five, calling your name. “Phil” he's saying, “it's two-for-one corn dogs at the snack bar.” Better grab your putter and go tee-up!

    By Blogger JSReno, at 27 September, 2005 01:58  

  • Phil, in looking back over this thread, I believe I have discovered a THIRD obsession that you failed to mention. You seem to favor name-calling which involves a particular part of the human anatomy, namely the ass.

    I count four separate uses of the term assbitch, one asshat (whatever that is) and this strange sentence, "... and don't forget to give your ass to Michael Brown this weekend"

    It seems you have a rather unhealthy obsession with the ole' back door. Am I right, Fill? This leads me to suspect that your first obsession, (your wife) is probably named, Roger.

    But, of course, I jest. (hey, it's just satire!) I really wanted to remind you of your words...

    “You may rejoin by questioning that Franken did not give the benefit of the doubt to the conservatives he accused of lying in his book. OK. I'd be more than happy to debate such with you.”

    ...and ask, when we can expect your forthcoming “debate”, or, would you rather continue to regale us with a catalog of your personal shortcomings.

    By Blogger JSReno, at 27 September, 2005 10:12  

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    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 27 September, 2005 12:45  

  • Hey...whaddya know... our favorite sockpuppet, JSReno has joined us for lunch. How's Gellineck and Tom C? Where have you been, wing-nut? Did you take all day yesterday and stay up all night last night to only come up with these long-winded posts obsessed with trashing my golf game? Hell, my brother can do that! And in less than a minute. But that's OK - I know you're a little slow and have trouble with the whole reading and comprehension thing so I'm actually somewhat flattered that you spent all that time and effort in your basement on me. But I must say, you do seem quite obsessed with me. If you're just another little GOP bitch trying to give it away, then you'll just have to wait until Rove and Libby are arrested.


    why should Franken be afforded the benefit of the doubt when he has never shown the slightest inclination to offer it to others? Franken, is a thin-skinned whiner, who can't take a dose of his own medicine.


    This is an interesting claim. Provide some sources that clearly show that Franken has complained about how he himself has been called a liar by you wing-nuts. Since you claim he is a "whiner", then you should be able to demonstrate a repeated pattern over time. So let's say at least three distinct instances with verifiable sources. Don't run on by...


    I guess if Franken (and you apparently) are going to suggest that O'Reilly is padding his credentials by claiming HE won an award, then the least we can expect from you is a citation of the quote and the source. I promise to buy you a years supply of those little pre-sharpened golf pencils if you can produce the quote.


    Let's just take the third quote in Franken's book concerning O'Reilly's claim that Inside Edition won Peabody awards. (A friend of mine got back to me with the LexisNexus reference, it's transcript# 051905cb.256 - THE O'REILLY FACTOR, May 19, 2000) The transcript shows that O'Reilly claimed "We won Peabody awards" twice! And the context clearly shows that "he" (O'Reilly) includes himself in the "we" because "he" was defending Arthel Neville's jibe that "he" had sold out. If you're going to go through some absurd literal parsing of the word "we" to argue that O'Reilly was not lying when he claimed that he never said that "he" had won the award, then I'll just let you go on living in your own dishonest little world. Keep the pencils - they're probably stolen.


    No, Franken's initial story was a lie and he's now changed THAT story by telling another lie.


    OK. Prove Franken's initial statement was a lie.
    To do so, you must definitively disprove the following alternative hypotheses: 1) Franken did not read the settlement agreement for himself leaving that to his attorney and signed it on his attorney's advise; AND 2) Franken read and signed the settlement agreement but could not recall the details of one the items in a schedule of liabilities attached to the settlement agreement; AND 3) Franken read and signed the settlement agreement but did not understand what he was reading because he has no legal training.

    Now similarly prove that his subsequent statements were lies.

    Here's your chance to settle the argument once and for all.
    But if you can't do it... that's OK.
    The record will simply show that your assertion that Franken lied is nothing but your distorted wing-nut opinion.


    Interesting progression here. You started by saying we should forgive ole' Al because he's only human after all, and just a comedian to boot. (get your story straight dude, is he someone to be take seriously or not) Someone else added that he might be "fibbing" and NOW, you make an argument of equivalence; Franken is NO BETTER than O'Reilly, so let's just give him a pass.


    It appears that the trouble you have with reading is getting in the way for you again. I'm only going to repeat this once.


    But this nutjob did posit something that I do agree with: "If someone says something incorrect and then later corrects themselves (2 times!) it is unfounded and completely illogical to claim the incorrect statement was an intentional LIE,...".

    Franken's initial statement concerning the GW loan was incorrect, but he came out a couple of times and cleared the record. So by the above standard, "it is unfounded and completely illogical to claim" that Franken intentionally lied.


    There is no mention of O'Reilly. No argument of equivalence with O'Reilly. Where did you pull that from? Looks like you'll have to go back to school and learn how to read.

    I stated that Franken is human and he is just a comedian. But it doesn't follow that I then argued he shouldn't be taken seriously. But I understand if you got confused or didn't understand what I posted. I'm sure there are some local community colleges which could help you out with basic logic. But in the meantime, allow me. I posted that because Franken is human and just a comedian, then why should he be expected to recall and/or understand the details of an obscure item in a list in a schedule attached to a complex legal agreement. Let's see if you can. Paraphrase the list of explicit waivers in your mortgage agreement without referring to the document. And I know that you wing-nuts get arrested from time to time for corruption but let's see if you can do it without cheating. OK? Now go!

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 27 September, 2005 14:46  

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    By Blogger JSReno, at 28 September, 2005 00:41  

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    By Blogger JSReno, at 28 September, 2005 01:38  

  • Hey JSReno! Having a bit of trouble coming up with anything more substantial than trashing my golf game and my wife? I mean, you've had all night down in that basement, and still nothing?! Geesh! Those shortcomings of yours in reading and critical thought are obviously more severe than anybody thought.

    Oh BTW... that LexisNexus reference (transcript #051905cb.256, THE O'REILLY FACTOR, May 19, 2000) also shows that immediately after O'Reilly twice bellowed "We won Peabody awards", he then asked "Should I send them back?". Note the use of the first person. You can persist with the absurd dissembling that "we" did not mean "he" if you like, but you'll be even more the object of ridicule and derision than you are now.

    Well, you keep working away on those questions I gave you and send your answers in when you're done. Don't flake out now...

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 28 September, 2005 09:12  

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    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 28 September, 2005 13:48  

  • Lunch time... nope... JSReno is still hiding in his basement.

    Hey no-brain! Along with your failures in reading and your critical thinking skills, it's also obvious that you can't count. I only called the Ace "assbitch" three times, not four. (But what difference does a hyphen make anyway.) It's a simple name but he's a simple guy... and I don't want to confuse him. And "asshats" was someone else entirely. Minor points I know but we don't want to deprive the world of the complete list of your shortcomings, do we?

    By Blogger HeadHunter, at 28 September, 2005 14:01  

  • I really cannot stand you people (Republicans)

    Air America is a entity to be admired. A grassroots, alternative voice to the Republican dominated airways. Radio was much different a year and a half ago. The RNC had the pocketbooks of industry. Big money, big advertizing and big lies followed.

    What is the problem here? Air America is reaching out to it's listeners.....SO WHAT! In my opinion it has become a voice for the sane, thoughtful and intelligent. Having your party being exposed as the biggest fraud and criminals really must be a shock to you all. The problem is that you are all to blind to see it. I cannot believe how divided we have become, and you all must blame yourselves and the RNC mouthpieces. Are you not better than hate and greed? Take a look at your own situation, are you better off today that five years ago?

    Anyone who said yes is an absolute liar. Rather than bash Air America, tune in and listen. (Trust me, we won't tell, and you just may hear a different perspective)

    By Blogger denverdem, at 28 September, 2005 19:14  

  • As I've said before, AAR's continued existance is actually a boon to conservatives. Where else do you hear the left so clearly, and so distinctly? It's utter lack of success - evident upon ANY objective review - and it's awful programming (also evident upon objective review) is ample evidence of the bankruptcy of the ideas which AAR is attempting to promote. You will never be able to convince the hardcore left, but the ability of any listener to compare the ideas on conservative and liberal radio is ultimately detrimental to the left. That's why the longer AAR lasts the better for conservatives. And that's why AAR's failure is highly significant (and embarrassing) and will be denied to death, in a familiar leftist tactic i.e. compulsive denial of evident fact (As someone once said to me, "the left lies"). I must admit, though, it's very strange to hear a commercial station going direcly to the listeners for funding. Obviously, the revenue stream from advertisements is grossly insufficient to maintain operations. AAR's attempt to analogize its begging to the sale of products and services on conservative stations essentially misses the point - what this step says loud and clear is that the network simply can't make it commercially.

    By Blogger B.Samuel Davis, at 29 September, 2005 17:44  

  • I can't wait till I see one of those "AIr America Associate" bumper stickers on an actual car. I'll have to make sure and pull over so I can laugh in earnest.

    By Blogger Open Threads, at 05 October, 2005 17:56  

  • Saw you on O'Reilly the other night, I have to admit - this is hilarious. How the mighty hath fallen.

    Just started political blogging - come by and check out my blog some time. I've blogrolled you!

    Take care!

    By Blogger Janet, at 08 October, 2005 07:33  

  • Air America is a loser, made by a loser, ran buy a loser, supported by losers, for losers!

    By Blogger Mary, at 10 October, 2005 16:04  

  • It will be a great day when the military has all the money it needs and the ACLU has to hold a bake sale to buy granloa!

    By Blogger Mary, at 10 October, 2005 16:06  

  • are you a moron or just an asshole? air america is awesome. They are what is keeping this country together. air america is filing for bankruptcy because they don't exist to make money like fox does. they exist to spread the truth. in a few years, when the us government files for bankruptcy just like air america is doing now, you will understand.

    By Blogger election scandals, inside terrorism jobs, deficits, at 15 October, 2006 20:26  

  • are you a moron or just an asshole? air america is awesome. They are what is keeping this country together. air america is filing for bankruptcy because they don't exist to make money like fox does. they exist to spread the truth. in a few years, when the us government files for bankruptcy just like air america is doing now, you will understand.

    By Blogger election scandals, inside terrorism jobs, deficits, at 15 October, 2006 20:26  

  • are you a moron or just an asshole? air america is awesome. They are what is keeping this country together. air america is filing for bankruptcy because they don't exist to make money like fox does. they exist to spread the truth. in a few years, when the us government files for bankruptcy just like air america is doing now, you will understand.

    By Blogger election scandals, inside terrorism jobs, deficits, at 15 October, 2006 20:26  

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